Originally Posted By Mr X ***I'm not going to shutup because I'm rocking the boat.*** You've upgraded from "rocking the boat" to "being an offensive ass" at this point bro.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<How can you post this GARBAGE? You don’t even understand the concept of a wait time.>> LOL. I understand it perfectly, you're just unable or unwilling to see the truth. It doesn't matter if a FP rider was freed of actual wait or not, the point of my example is that the sixth through tenth rider would wait the same amount of time regardless of FP or not. <<Trekkeruss, I'm sorry if "sick and disgusting" hurt your feelings, but it's not OK in my eyes to shrug this whole thing off the way you did.>> My feelings aren't hurt; I have no "feelings" about FP. I you feel like I am shrugging the issue off, that's not my problem. It's not like I don't understand the feeling of frustration standing in the stand-by queue... it's certainly crept into my mind. BUT when I step back and think about it, I realize I made the choice to stand in stand-by, therefore I don't get upset about it.
Originally Posted By Mr X "The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote" (101 hidden mickey salute to anyone who can attribute that excellent quote) Fastpass ain't going nowhere, anyway. Most people like it. Most others don't really care one way or another. It CERTAINLY isn't anything worth giving yourself grey hairs over!
Originally Posted By magnet >>>LOL. I understand it perfectly, you're just unable or unwilling to see the truth. It doesn't matter if a FP rider was freed of actual wait or not, the point of my example is that the sixth through tenth rider would wait the same amount of time regardless of FP or not.<<< Your example is wrong and the conclusion is false. >>>You've upgraded from "rocking the boat"<<< I couldn't care less what you think of me, Mr. X. The thread is about FastPass. Besides, you’re hardly one to talk about being offensive. See, I point out the problems with the current system and from the beginning I’m told all manner of things like: I’m really just upset because I think people are cutting in front of me That I should just stop whining and go get a FastPass I waded through all the criticisms and made a strong case. I’m not going to let someone get away with polluting the discussion with confusion, use it to defend something nasty about me, and then just shrug the entire thing off as trekkeruss did. What you don’t realize is that I’ve respected the arguments of those who disagree more than my own arguments have been respected by them. I read it. I thought about it. I criticized and pointed out the error, and then dealt with someone who called me selfish because they thought I was really just upset about people going ahead of me. Well, it’s selfish to support a system that causes such inequity towards guests as FastPass does just because sometimes one can share in the reward of the imbalance it creates.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Well, it’s selfish to support a system** Good lord. Dude, amusement park. Not communist regime. Do continue though, you've gone way beyond rational and it's pretty funny to read.
Originally Posted By magnet >>>Do continue though, you've gone way beyond rational and it's pretty funny to read.<<< This is a place to discuss issues at WDW. I'm under no delusion about where this matters in the grand scheme of life. That's not a valid argument in this forum. You think I'm way beyond rational? You've resorted to profanity. You've brought up a comparison to me that has overtones of Hitler in it. Hmmmm.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<by your logic, you would say that a FastPass guest and a standby guest who happened to be boarded on the same train waited the same amount of time for it. That’s insane. The standby guest may have been prevented from doing anything else at the park for two hours while he stood in line, but the FastPass guest spent that time doing something else!>> What others have said many times over is that the rider holding that FP got to the ride well before the stand-by rider in order to get that FP... in all likelyhood they did not get it at the same time the non-FP rider entered the queue. Even if that FP-holding rider is not waiting in that line, there is a good chance they waiting in another line somewhere else... and being "prevented" from doing anything else. I can see what you're most upset about: that a rider with a FP can essentially occupy two queues at once, or that they can be "free" to do something else. Why you choose to be angry about all this is what I don't understand.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Why you choose to be angry about all this is what I don't understand.*** Yup. Life's too short. We get it. You're enraged. In fact you're so bloody upset that you're even upset with anyone who actually *likes* fastpass. A bunch of selfish jerks, all of us. Man, this is funny. (I'm sorry dude. I know this is an important issue for you and all, obviously. I just find you taking it over the top for THIS of all things to be a little ridiculous)
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I hit the "post" button too fast... ... if you really believe the FP system causes inequity, I think you should stop using it. Coming here and complaining about it while still enjoying its benefit is hypocritical, don't you think?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Mr. X, when I visit Tokyo Disneyland in a couple years, can you pick me up a Pooh FastPass?
Originally Posted By Disneybrad "Space Mnt Dl(front has unobstructed views and affords more leg room)" Actually the front seat has the least leg room.
Originally Posted By Mr X Okay, William. <---sighs and heads over to TDL to get into the Y2010 line for Pooh fastpass.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <***I'm not going to shutup because I'm rocking the boat.*** You've upgraded from "rocking the boat" to "being an offensive ass" at this point bro.> This coming from Mr. X -- the poster child of cool, easy-going posts that never push the envelope.
Originally Posted By Mr X Sure Jim, but they always deserved it. Nobody was giving Magnet a hard time, they just disagreed with him (her?) or tried to point out other aspects of the issue. Besides, why on earth would someone decide to get steamed over and call others "selfish" about, of all things, fastpass!!??
Originally Posted By sun-n-fun Leobloom (post 179) it's not only good for the locals We are from NYS and love using FP. It does stink when you get somewhere too late and miss out. Oh well, we then make a choice to either wait in the line or not. Not brain surgury. We are here to have fun, if the wait is too long we find something else to do. If we "have to go on it" , we wait or come back in the am.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I get as many as I can. I don't fault anyone for using them. I don't fault any CM for doing his/her job. I finally decided how I feel about the cards we've been dealt by the company.>> I had to go way back in the thread to pull out this quote. Basically, you won't be happy until Disney scraps the FP system, because the system is "abusive towards guests." I have a feeling you are going to be unhappy for a VERY long time.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I don't fault anyone for using them.*** Well, this wasn't very truthful, was it? ***I get as many as I can.*** Hypocrite.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Besides, why on earth would someone decide to get steamed over and call others "selfish" about, of all things, fastpass!!??> It's all subjective, Mr. X. Some would say the same about getting hot under the collar over jonvn not posting anymore. Anyway, I'm against FastPass, and agree with magnet.
