Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>'Most' people don't notice.<<< At least not consciously, but, you can bet that even undefinable happenings do, indeed, influence how one feels about something. There is a little book out titled "101 things that you didn't know about WDW". While that wasn't entirely true, I did know many of them, it did bring into focus the detail that has gone into many attractions. That is what made Disney Parks unique. I have been many, many times and yet I was amazed at how I either hadn't noticed or wasn't aware of their significance, but, they were part and parcel of the entire experience whether I was completely conscious of them or not. Yea, I know I said I was done commenting...sue me!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<FastPass, along with many other elements of the Disney theme park experience, help to create a frenetic, fast-paced, run-like-a-chicken-with-your-head-cut-off visit to the parks.>> Do they create it, or do they just help those that enjoy a frenetic, fast-paced, run-like-a-chicken-with-your-head-cut-off visit to the parks? I am not much of a planner when it comes to visiting the parks. Last time I went to WDW, I didn't even know what days or how long I would be there... my visit was just part of a long road trip. I went to Epcot, picked up a FP for Soarin', and never even used it. I stood in stand-by for Mission: Space; it never occured to me that Disney was abusing me by letting people with FP go ahead of me. To me, FP is just a tool that I can choose to use or not.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Okay, here's a great promotion for Disney. Feel free to use it, any Disney execs reading and taking notes... Stress Free Tuesdaysâ„¢ One Tuesday a month, Disney shuts off all the Fast Pass machines. Only decaf is served. Everyone chills out a bit and enjoys the parks at a calmer pace. Compare and contrast the experience with a normal operating day. Have fun pointing out subtle themeing details you missed last time you were barreling around trying to RideMax your day like a nut. Extreme FastPass Addicts can simply opt out of the discomfort caused by Stress Free Tuesdaysâ„¢ and spend the day charting their course for Wild Wednesdayâ„¢.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Disneyland was closed Mondays and Tuesdays during the off season. [chuckle] Yeah, what's the 'off-season' in 2008? One Wednesday in October.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I hear it's not too busy at HKDL, and you can do everything in less than one full day. LOL.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 "Do they create it, or do they just help those that enjoy a frenetic, fast-paced, run-like-a-chicken-with-your-head-cut-off visit to the parks?" While I do think that FastPass does add to the frentic pace we see all the time at the parks now, I think the biggest culprite is the one-price for everything admission. When people are paying hundreds of dollars to get their family into the park, it creates a sense of "we need to get the most for our money!!". Hence this need to get in as many attractions as possible while in the parks. (Though, I didn't really notice this behavior as much back when the park cost less than $30. Perhaps the high prices are also to blame.)
Originally Posted By barboy "While I do think that FastPass does add to the frentic pace we see all the time at the parks now, I think the biggest culprite is the one-price for everything admission. When people are paying hundreds of dollars to get their family into the park, it creates a sense of "we need to get the most for our money!!" And I do agree with you that families get into that mindset too many times over--- but they still have a choice to settle down and enjoy, take in the ambiance and don't frenzy over rides. So do buffets cause obeseness too? No, they don't. Dining patrons are responsible for how much they eat--- if they eat too much and frenzy over the spreads layed before their eyes it's not the restaurants's fault; it's the fault of the glutton who lacks self control. Disney guests are responsible for their own touring actions regardless of a one price for all you can ride setup or FP. If one storms the park because he wants to justify the admission price, then so be it. Disney's buffet of rides nor FP is not to blame. One can choose to frenzy or one can choose to stop and smell the churros. On a separate note: I said 25 or 35 posts back that guests have been storming parks for years, racing from one attraction to the next---- way before FP.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA "Walt didn't approve of guests storming his park and running around like chickens with their heads cut off." Walt Disney by Bob Thomas page 187
Originally Posted By MPierce >> It's how FastPass, along with many other elements of the Disney theme park experience, help to create a frenetic, fast-paced, run-like-a-chicken-with-your-head-cut-off visit to the parks. << I think you summed it up pretty well Jim.
Originally Posted By barboy "It's how FastPass, along with many other elements of the Disney theme park experience, help to create a frenetic, fast-paced, run-like-a-chicken-with-your-head-cut-off visit to the parks." Just for fun I will go with it. But so what..... If one runs haywire all over the park jumping from ride to ride and checking watches all day let them have their way; why some of you use that ridiculous rationale to retire FP is beyond me. So far I have only seen one respectable or legitimate argument to abolish the system: the lack of fairness theory. But I challenge that theory since I feel overall the system is equitable. That FP frenzy argument----even if true---means nothing, absolutely nothing because you can tour the way you see fit irrespective of FP or other guests' frantic behavior.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 This is a place to discuss issues at WDW. I'm under no delusion about where this matters in the grand scheme of life. That's not a valid argument in this forum. You think I'm way beyond rational? You've resorted to profanity. You've brought up a comparison to me that has overtones of Hitler in it. Hmmmm.****** Seriously. many of your arguments have been proven false. You have been presented with multiple scenarios describing a wait time that accurately depict fastpass at different points. The point that the other guest got to the ride before you is valid. magnet, I dont know you personally, but it does seem like you are getting very irrational. You stood in line too long at a ride while FPers passed you. Have you never done this before? Im sure there are numerous times where your line has been faster than another or you have passed a bunch of people using FP. My point in saying this is that it happens to all of us at some point. If you dont use FP, you dont deserve to be complaining about wait times. The chance to better yourself has been given, and needs to be taken! Your arguments are narrow-minded, weak, and not supported by any fact other than your experience on BTMR once. The truth is, FP works for most guests. Instances like these are rare. I do hope you can get over the emotional trauma that this extended waiting time has given you.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 Paying for FastPass is like Disney saying, "Pay us extra money and we'll make some other guest, who paid the same price for his admission ticket, wait the time you would have spent waiting." It's OK to pay for something where the one you're paying is providing an additional benefit that they have to give. The bad thing here is that Disney would be charging both for admission, and then taking away some of the benefit of that admission from one person and giving it to the other. Disney would be double charging for the access. Disney would be making you pay for something that they had to steal back from another guest to give to you.**** Disney does the same thing with VIP parade viewing. They take away awesome views and exclusive interactions from one guest and give it to one who pays more. Hence, your argument has no bearing.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 OK, look. The ticket you buy can be redeemed anytime and is good for an entire day. If you use it to enter the park one hour before it closes, you are a fool. You can’t blame that on Disney. **** Same thing with FP. You are a fool if you choose not to use it and then complain about it.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 By the way, the pebble/avalanche quote was by Kosh from Babylon 5 if it hasnt been noted.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 I hate that you basically can't eat at at a Disney restaurant of your choice without either making a resrevation months in advance, or waiting on a stand-by list for hours on end. But that's the way it is, and I suck it up and deal with it. I'm not going to spend a lot of energy thinking about everything that is wrong with the system***** I hate it too. So annoying to have to book 6 months in advance.
Originally Posted By magnet >>>Seriously. many of your arguments have been proven false<<< No, they haven’t. >>>Your arguments are narrow-minded, weak, and not supported by any fact other than your experience on BTMR once.<<< No, they aren’t narrow-minded or weak, and the arguments have nothing to do with my experience other than that moment was what got me started thinking about FastPass. >>>I do hope you can get over the emotional trauma that this extended waiting time has given you.<<< Actually, I think you couldn’t care less. Emotional trauma over FastPass? That’s crazy. >>>Disney does the same thing with VIP parade viewing. They take away awesome views and exclusive interactions from one guest and give it to one who pays more. Hence, your argument has no bearing.<<< I don’t know anything about how VIP parade viewing works, so I can’t help you see where your argument fails. Not that you really care anyway…. >>>Same thing with FP. You are a fool if you choose not to use it and then complain about it.<<< You didn’t read that section carefully. I suggest you go back and look at it again. Your statement is so far off base from the actual discussion that we’d have to reconstitute the whole thing here again to get you back on track. Maybe you should have spent less time watching Babylon 5 and more time working on your reading comprehension skills.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Disney does the same thing with VIP parade viewing. They take away awesome views and exclusive interactions from one guest and give it to one who pays more. Hence, your argument has no bearing.> The big difference is that you don't have to pay extra for FastPass. Now, if Disney were to make FastPass an exclusive, pay-extra-money thing, then then your argument would make sense.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> If one runs haywire all over the park jumping from ride to ride and checking watches all day let them have their way; why some of you use that ridiculous rationale to retire FP is beyond me. << >> It's how FastPass, along with many other elements of the Disney theme park experience, help to create a frenetic, fast-paced, run-like-a-chicken-with-your-head-cut-off visit to the parks. << What seems to be ridiculous to you in that statement. It seems like an honest opinion that some people in this forum seem to share. Calling something ridiculous does not change the validity of the statement. >> That FP frenzy argument----even if true---means nothing, absolutely nothing because you can tour the way you see fit irrespective of FP or other guests' frantic behavior. << Actually it means a lot. In my opinion, The frantic pace created by FP plus the feeling of being a second class guest to some people detract from the way the parks were meant to be enjoyed. People rushing around in a big hurry tends to add to the rudeness one encounters at the parks. Very similar to the hustle, and bustle one encounters in a big city, compared to the laid back lifestyle in a small country town.
