Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs And you're right... most of the 'villainous' animals are being natural: the Bear in F&TH, the Shark in Mermaid, even Sabor in Tarzan. As for the Cheshire Cat and the Crocodile, most people DON'T consider them Villains, but do you know who does? Disney. In some cases, those being "natural" (Bear, Shark, Man) are also being threats to the major characters. In the case of Man, he kills Bambi's mother and his offscreen presence makes him even more dangerous. In my List of Evilâ„¢ though, Bambi has two Villains: Ronno and Man. Don't even get me started on Denahi and John Silver... and even Lilo & Stitch, lol. I consider Gantu to be the Villain in the latter, but there are so many other characters who have a touch of Villainy in that film, including Stitch himself.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Okay, here's my list on who *I* consider to be Villains. Bask in its perfection. As always, feel free to debate. I also eliminated 'minor' Villains, such as The Prosecutor from 'Ichabod and Mr. Toad'. 1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) -The Evil Queen/The Hag, with Humbert the Huntsman and The Magic Mirror 2. Pinocchio (1940) -Stromboli, Coachman, Monstro and J. Worthington Foulfellow, with Gideon 3. Fantasia (1940) -Chernabog 4. Dumbo (1941) -The Ringmaster and The Matriarch, with Catty, Prissy & Giggles 5. Bambi (1942) -Ronno and Man 6. Saludos Amigos (1943) -No Villains 7. The Three Caballeros (1945) -No Villains 8. Make Mine Music (1946) -The Wolf and Professor Tetti Tatti 9. Fun and Fancy Free (1947) -Lumpjaw and Willie the Giant 10. Melody Time (1948) -No Villains 11. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949) -Winkie/y, with the Weasels, and The Headless Horseman 12. Cinderella (1950) -Lady Tremaine, with Anastasia, Drizella and Lucifer 13. Alice in Wonderland (1951) -The Queen of Hearts, with the King of Hearts and army of playing cards 14. Peter Pan (1953) -Captain Hook, with Smee 15. Lady and the Tramp (1955) -Si & Am, with Aunt Sarah 16. Sleeping Beauty (1959) -Maleficent, with Diablo and goons 17. 101 Dalmatians (1961) -Cruella De Vil, with Horace & Jasper Badun 18. The Sword in the Stone (1963) -Madam Mim 19. The Jungle Book (1967) -Shere Khan and Kaa 20. The Aristocats (1970) -Edgar 21. Robin Hood (1973) -Prince John, with Sir Hiss and The Sheriff of Nottingham 22. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977) -No Villains (unless you count the Heffalumps and Woozles) 23. The Rescuers (1977) -Madame Medusa, with Mr. Snoops and Nero & Brutus 24. The Fox and the Hound (1981) -Amos Slade, with Chief 25. The Black Cauldron (1985) -The Horned King, with Creeper 26. The Great Mouse Detective (1986) -Professor Ratigan, with Fidget and Felicia 27. Oliver & Company (1988) -Sykes, with Roscoe & Desoto 28. The Little Mermaid (1989) -Ursula, with Flotsam & Jetsam 29. The Rescuers Down Under (1990) -Percival C. McLeach, with Joanna 30. Beauty and the Beast (1991) -Gaston, with Lefou 31. Aladdin (1992) -Jafar, with Iago 32. The Lion King (1994) -Scar, with Shenzi, Banzai & Ed 33. Pocahontas (1995) -Governor John Ratcliffe, with Wiggins and Percy 34. The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996) -Judge Claude Frollo 35. Hercules (1997) -Hades, with Pain & Panic 36. Mulan (1998) -Shan Yu 37. Tarzan (1999) -Clayton and Sabor 38. Fantasia 2000 (1999) -The Jack-in-the-Box and The Firebird 39. The Emperor’s New Groove (2000) -Yzma, with Kronk 40. Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001) -Commander Lyle T. Rourke, with Helga Sinclair 41. Lilo and Stitch (2002) -Captain Gantu 42. Treasure Planet (2002) -John Silver, with Scroop 43. Brother Bear (2003) -Denahi 44. Home on the Range (2004) -Alameda Slim, with the Willie Brothers and Rico 45. Chicken Little (2005): No Villains (although some consider Foxy Loxy to be one) THE PIXAR FILMS 1. Toy Story (1995) -Sid Phillips 2. A Bug’s Life (1998) -Hopper, with Molt 3. Toy Story 2 (1999) -Emperor Zurg, Stinky Pete and Al McWhiggin 4. Monsters Inc. (2001) -Randall Boggs and Henry J. Waternoose 5. Finding Nemo (2003) -Darla 6. The Incredibles (2004) -Syndrome, with Mirage 7. Cars (2006) -Chick Hicks
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) -The Evil Queen/The Hag, with Humbert the Huntsman and The Magic Mirror> Right off the bat I have problems with this. lol The Huntsman is not a villain, he can't even go through with his orders for disneypete's sake. And The Mirror has no free will, it must obey The Queen. <3. Fantasia (1940) -Chernabog> Ben Ali Gator is debatable. <4. Dumbo (1941) -The Ringmaster and The Matriarch, with Catty, Prissy & Giggles> I would say Dumbo actually has no villain. The Ringmaster is ignorant and misunderstands, and if you consider the elephants villains, well, then you have to consider most gossipy women villains, lol. <5. Bambi (1942) -Ronno and Man> Man is debatable. <13. Alice in Wonderland (1951) -The Queen of Hearts, with the King of Hearts and army of playing cards> I'd say King and cards are under the influence of the Queen---they don't want to be baddies (and they're really not). <14. Peter Pan (1953) -Captain Hook, with Smee> I wouldn't say Smee is. <15. Lady and the Tramp (1955) -Si & Am, with Aunt Sarah> Aunt Sarah, like the Ringmaster, is just ignorant and doesn't understand. <24. The Fox and the Hound (1981) -Amos Slade, with Chief> Again, ignorant and misunderstanding IMO. <35. Hercules (1997) -Hades, with Pain & Panic> For the movie yes, but don't EVEN get me started on the "historical" inaccuracy of this. <38. Fantasia 2000 (1999)> ? It was released 1/1/2000. Can't comment on 39 and up, as I have no interest in seeing them.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Yes, I realize that the King of Hearts is not really a Villain, and Humbert wusses out at the last minute, but the 'with' billing was to signify their henchpeople. The Ringmaster's Villain merchandise includes an Upper Deck trading card and the Villains' Revenge PC game. One of the Matriarch's hench-elephants were featured in a Disney Catalog Dumbo pin set, as well as on the Disney Catalog Villains pin trading bag (2002). Ignorance is another problem here; yes, the Ringmaster is ignorant and doesn't understand, but he did lock up Dumbo's mother, which to most Disney fans, would be villainous (after all, we wouldn't have the 'Baby Mine' sequence, would we?). As for the elephants, they completely ignored him and Matriarch even tried to get at him during their botched pyramid/tower attempt. I also do not consider the King of Hearts as a Villain, but he has appeared on Villain merchandise, and I consider him in the henchman role, even though he is the voice of reason and is the complete opposite (in more ways than one) than his wife. Again, Smee is only following orders. Yes, he was reluctant to capture Tiger Lily, but he's pro-Hook when they're up against Peter. I consider Aunt Sarah to be in the henchman role, and again, the ignorance factor plays in the role of the Villain. She's also featured on the Bad Girls stainless steel coffee mug (along with one of the Witches of Morva). As for Fantasia 2000, it was actually released on December 17, 1999 in Los Angeles (the article is featured in Disney Magazine. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasia_2000" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F antasia_2000</a>
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy I dislike that bullying kid and the order-following men more than the Ringmaster. <As for the elephants, they completely ignored him and Matriarch even tried to get at him during their botched pyramid/tower attempt.> Well she wasn't trying to *kill* him, just spank him is all. And ignoring someone isn't villainous. I did forget about Smee going after Tiger Lily, and also capturing Tinkerbell. <As for Fantasia 2000, it was actually released on December 17, 1999 in Los Angeles> Well it shouldn't have been. It's called "2000" for a reason. At least in this part of the country they got it right!
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Actually, that kid from Dumbo is featured as a Villain in the Heroes and Villains portion of the Upper Deck Trading card sets. Actually, the first three series were Heroes and Villains. Featured Villains included The March Hare, Mad Hatter, Panchito (yes, that Panchito), King of Hearts, Cheshire Cat, Yen Sid, Crocodile and Witch Hazel. Fantasia 2000 was released in LA and NY on December 17, 1999, and then in IMAX theatres on January 1, 2000. It was then released to the general public in June.
Originally Posted By knightnfrees The year at the end of the credits, TDG is for copyright. If it was released Jan. 1, 2000, it can't have a 2000 copyright...since it was completed in 1999, it would have a 1999 copyright. Since it was released 2 weeks earlier, it still would garner the 1999 numeral.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy It was only released 2 weeks earlier in you weird west coast libs' part of the country. ;-P
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs And if you think about it, Fantasia 1999 just wouldn't sound as peppy as Fantasia 2000.
Originally Posted By knightnfrees <<It was only released 2 weeks earlier in you weird west coast libs' part of the country. >> <<Fantasia 2000 was released in LA and NY on December 17, 1999.>> Hellooo, TDG...5BR also said NY! Don't blame us for being ahead of the curve. ;-)
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs <<TALL Disney Guy: It was only released 2 weeks earlier in you weird west coast libs' part of the country. ;-P>> If memory serves me right, New York is on the East Coast.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs I found Amos Slade to be an interesting "two-part" Villain. In the first half of the film where Tod and Copper are kids, he's a comic Villain: clumsy and bungling, with his pants dropping as he attempts to shoot Tod. In the second half when they're adults, Slade becomes more dangerous and obsessed with hunting the fox, even going into restricted territory to get him. His demonstration of the fox trap (complete with obligatory rainstorm) also sets the mood of his actions.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Wikipedia has a huge section of the Villains, and even includes the minor Villains, and even the minor minors (like the hawk, pike and wolf from The Sword in the Stone). It's always interesting on who to consider a Villain and whom NOT to consider. I mean, you have your obvious ones (Cruella, Scar, Hook), and you have some who act out on ignorance, misunderstanding or instinct.
Originally Posted By CuriosWolfSo And in my response to post #12, I did get something evil. A certain >>Wolf-loving vegetarian LPer, whose identity will remain hidden, sent me the Disney Villain version of "The World's Most Difficult Puzzle". Problem is that I bought it *last* year. I also bought him the "Your Host Walt Disney" DVD, which he also bought recently. This past week, we have been deciding on how to remedy the situation, lol.<< Hey, I heard that!
Originally Posted By CuriosWolfSo >>And you're right... most of the 'villainous' animals are being natural: the Bear in F&TH, the Shark in Mermaid, even Sabor in Tarzan.<< Ahem... Another natural 'villainous" animal that you forget was The Wolf from "Peter and the Wolf" All he wanted to do which eating the heroes and DID came mightly close doing so... (The duck was thought to be eaten , the little bird ended up in the Wolf's jaws couple of time and almost got snapped by the rows of teeth and trapped/cornered Peter and the cat on a tree branch) There was no reasoning with him so it was to run from his drooling maw or risk being eaten by him.
Originally Posted By basil fan I would definitely consider Smee a villain, even though he's kind of nice. He goes along happily with all of Hook's schemes, unlike the Huntsman who rebels. But Wiggins? I must defend my favorite character from that film. He is employed by the villain in a non-villain capacity, as a simple valet. He never does anything villainous, just cheerfully washes the dog and trims the topiaries. He just likes everyone so much that he doesn't realize his master is evil.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Again, that is true, and most of the time the henchmen are usually hard to define as Villains. Some of them are nice (Smee, Wiggins), and some aren't (Roscoe & Desoto, Flotsam & Jetsam), and some would hint at going either way (Creeper and the Hyenas at their ends of their respective films). Wiggins is listed as a Villain in the Upper Deck Heroes and Villains sets.
