Originally Posted By FerretAfros "Just a really pricey add-on to something they already have." So, wouldn't that technically mean they would be adding another gate? I guess where the problem lies is that everybody says 5th gate when they mean 5th park. So, yes, we may be getting a 5th gate. 5th Park? Keep on waiting for that one...
Originally Posted By Mr X I suppose if you look at "gate" as a seperate revenue stream, then yes. To me though, and of course this is just what I can gather from rumors and it could be much more, it just seems like an enhanced "guided tour" version of Animal Kingdom. Not so different from the Keys to the Kingdom tour or the backstage Epcot stuff really (you can swim with Dolphins at Epcot, for a price...does that make it a "two gate" park?). Anyway, that's all really moot...it's another option anyway. We shall see how it goes over. But I wouldn't say DisneyWorld has added a gate (or should I say park) any more than if they built another water park. I suppose that's the way I see it, anyway. One thing I wonder though...I read somewhere that DisneyWorld was capable of eventually handling seven theme parks. If this one is considered "a theme park", entirely seperate from DAK, then would the total capacity be 8?
Originally Posted By leobloom >>Every major project that disney has ever done has had a level of creativity and quality that can't be matched. When people are complaining about something being bad at disney, they are comparing to another part of disney.>> Not to burst your bubble, but considering Disney Studios-Paris and the original incarnation of DCA, I'd beg to differ. Disney does Disney well when Disney wants to. When Disney tries to outdo themselves...or when they try to hastily one-up the local competition they sometimes have problems. DAK is about as successful as they've gotten doing something that isn't in the traditional Disney model. DisneyQuest wasn't a success. Neither was Club Disney. And also consider in 1989 MGM was not universally admired, either. It's 5 attractions seemed really underwhelming compared to the full-day parks of MK and EPCOT. Which is to say my expectations with Night Kingdom are very low. I would hesitate to call this a fifth-gate, especially if it's going to be connected to DAK. Sounds more like a tumor. Whether it's benign or malignant has yet to be seen.
Originally Posted By blueharvest82 I agree with both nbodyhome and ferret. It hasn't been announced yet (which I also said) so who knows if it will and in what condition it will be in when it does. And I think there is a huge diffrence between a fifth gate and fifth park, I think this is a fifth gate.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "I have never read anyone on these forums say that universal did this better than disney" I was told by a senior Imagineering official once that Spiderman at IOA was better than ANYTHING Disney had EVER done before. It's a pity the suits never decided to try and up the ante.
Originally Posted By Mr X I disagree. I would put Pooh's Hunny Hunt right in that category, and even afford it a slight edge since it's something the WHOLE family can enjoy. BUT...I do love Spidey. The potential for that sort of adventure is incredible...too bad they're not bothering.
Originally Posted By dshyates Its somewhere in between the two. Its certainly not a 5th entirely new park, but it will have "attractions" not accessible from DAKs main gate. The question for most is, is a zip line and a hand powered cable trolly basket worth $300 when for $75 you can get $100 mil fx coaster and everything else DAK has to offer. For most the answer would be no. Years ago if Disney offered it and it cost that much you could be sure it was first class. After DCA, WSP, and HKDL its gonna take some over the top guest reviews for me to truely even consider it. I like the idea on paper. But is Disney actually going to commit the resources necessary to pull it up to the Lux experience. They did it on the cruise line. But the WDW Deluxe hotel experience, even at concierge level is sub-Embassey Suite at best.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, again I don't really see how these are in in any way "attractions", any more than the behind the scenes tours at Epcot and other parks. Just the way I see it, I suppose. And again, of course, we'll have to see how the final product turns out. Right now it's only rumor anyway.
Originally Posted By leobloom dshyates, thanks for throwing in HKDL. I knew I was forgetting something on Disney's list of underachievements!
Originally Posted By dshyates "Pooh's Hunny Hunt right in that category" Since Disney USA has chosen not to show us this wonderful attraction, I'll simply put Spidey up against WDW's Pooh, and just to be generous I'll even throw in the quaint Playful Spot. And the winner is.....Spidey. To be fair I would put Spiderman up against ToT. That I would call a tie. As far as Uni doing it better. I prefer MiB to Buzz. Popeye to Kali. Cat in the Hat to SSL or DLRs Pooh. And IOA to DCA anyday.
Originally Posted By Mr X Spidey is definitely in my top three themed attractions (along with Pooh and maybe Splash Mountain or Indy...I'd also put Hulk into my top three best coasters as well... IOA was quite an acheivement when it opened, truly the first non-Disney park to reach for that world-class ring...too bad it seems to have stagnated.
Originally Posted By dshyates Yeah, but that was because GE bought Universal and they didn't know exactly what they were going to do with the parks. Originally they wanted to sell them. But then they figured out the NBC tie in and a guess changed their minds. They're definitely not stagnate now, Potter is going vertical. They just open Disaster. And The Simpson's Ride, Rumble Coaster and Potter are on the way. I also heard rumors of a new budget hotel and 800 room addition to the Royal Pacific to open by the time Potter comes online.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Unfortunately, once the Harry Potter area is added, there's really not much more room for growth at Islands of Adventure. Yes, there are some parcels of land near Toon Lagoon, but they are fairly small. Once these areas are developed, they won't be able to add anything new unless they remove something first. (Of course, the Magic Kingdom has been doing that now for years, and they have loads of undeveloped land around the park not including the old 20K site!)
Originally Posted By nbodyhome We did a backstage tour of Spiderman this month, and it's really quite interesting to see it from the back (and how much work went into it, and maintenance, etc.). The ride vehicles barely move, no more than 6 - 9 inches in any direction. As far as Night Kingdom - I figured it in similar to a water park, as far as attendance (maybe TL and BB can hold more, I don't know their attendance figures).
Originally Posted By Britain Just to add to the confusion, Epcot already IS a two-gate park, what with the International Gateway entrance.
Originally Posted By dshyates Don't give them any ideas. At one point they were going to divide EPCOT. Now since its the gates game, they will put a turnstile on the bridge between WS and FW Rename each to something like Global Expo and EPCor. Voila You've raised the park count by 1. For the 40th WDW advertises the WDW Resort with 6 fantastic theme parks. The venerable MK, Disney's Animal Kingdom, The New Disney Hollywood Studios featuring Toy Story Mania with Woody and the Gang. The New EPCor theme park, And the new Global Expo, and the crown jewel, The over the top Disney's Night Kingdom. "It's NAH TAH NAK TER NUL ZU".
Originally Posted By blueharvest82 Just to clarify, I know Jim Hill is pretty accurate with his assumptions. However, How different are projects he has predicted in the past compared to their final product? I'm saying, could to this turn out to be a completely separate park with attractions (rides)?
