Originally Posted By bayrr326 I'm sorry but closing the Adventurer's Club would be the final knife in the back to what has been done to PI. There would be no reason to go there anymore. Disney has already destroyed what was unique about the area. Losing AC would be the final nail in the coffin. As far as Night Kingdom, if it does not have enough unique experiences it will fail. The swimming with the dolphins is the "weenie" that gets people to go to Discovery Cove. Night Kingdom would have to have something unique that would make people want to pay the money. So far the plans Jim Hill has mentioned are not anything that exciting.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror Cannibals. Dressed in dark camouflage, hiding in the trees. That would make it exciting.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Have there been any new shows since 1989? It sure doesn't seem like it. Breathing some occasional new life into the place--in the form of new scripts, new gags, redone theme rooms--would seem to be a requiremnet on a regular basis.** Isn't that so true with all Disney offerings that don't receive the proper attention? Sad situation. I'm disappointed, I haven't been there in a long time but I thought it was fun when I was there (and if it were the same stale stuff, which is how it sounds, I'd be pretty "over it" too).
Originally Posted By Mr X **When my wife asked for a plate for her appetizer "sis" told her to use a napkin, that she didn't want to do the extra dishes. My wife made it VERY clear that she wanted a plate and "sis" still refused. It got to the point that my wife said "Then I guess we will go eat at a restaurant where they will give me a plate for my appetizer" before she got one.** Wow, dumb waitress! Hope you didn't leave any allowance! They're supposed to add to the fun, not annoy customers! It'd be one thing to kiddingly grouse about "extra dishes to do", but to not bring you what you want!? (promptly?) Duh. Reminds me of Tokyo Disneyland when they started giving away Halloween candy. The CM's were instructed to tell the guests to say "trick or treat" (in ENGLISH), and followed that to the letter. Lots of crying kids that year, when the CM's refused them candy because they couldn't say it properly. lol.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 The CM's were instructed to tell the guests to say "trick or treat" (in ENGLISH), and followed that to the letter. Lots of crying kids that year, when the CM's refused them candy because they couldn't say it properly. lol.,, You serious? wow....lol...
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Sounds like the soup Nazi from Seinfeld... No Candy for you, come back 3 days.... Definetly not good show.
Originally Posted By Mr X lol...totally. I thought of the soup nazi too! I heard all about it since my girlfriend at the time worked in the call center (1-800-disneycomplaints). Funny thing was, they weren't purposefully doing "bad show", in fact they really thought they were doing their jobs properly (if you heard something similar in the American parks you might guess the CM's were having some fun with the customers, but in Japan it really was a cultural barrier clash...since it was the AMERICAN management that suggested having the kids say trick or treat without really thinking about how much trouble the Japanese kids (and adults) might have with the phrase AND how literally the cast members might interpret the "rules". Keep in mind too that Halloween ORIGINATED in Tokyo Disneyland (for the whole COUNTRY) and nobody had ever heard of "trick or treat" or what the heck it even meant. Anyway, it's one of my more amusing Tokyo stories that's for sure.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Lots of crying kids that year, when the CM's refused them candy because they couldn't say it properly. lol." Impossible. Nothing is ever wrong at TDL.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "Reminds me of Tokyo Disneyland when they started giving away Halloween candy. The CM's were instructed to tell the guests to say "trick or treat" (in ENGLISH), and followed that to the letter. Lots of crying kids that year, when the CM's refused them candy because they couldn't say it properly. lol." LOL!!!!!! I think that's HILARIOUS! Firstly because I think kids SHOULD be deprived at times. Secondly because of the regimented and TOO thorough manner the CMs did their job. LOL!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By jonvn "Firstly because I think kids SHOULD be deprived at times." Yeah. And a Halloween celebration is just the time to do it.
Originally Posted By Britain Jim Hill sheds more light on Night Kingdom in Magical Definition's new podcast: www.magicaldefinition.com
Originally Posted By brotherdave Sorry, but this whole concept still doesn't interest me. Then again, neither does Discovery Cove. For those that find it to their liking, I hope they enjoy it. You just won't have to worry about me dropping over a $1000 for my family to go to "Night Kingdom" OR "Discovery Cove". With that money, I can get a 7 day passport to the other parks including the water parks for my family. Of course, if my PowerBall numbers come up, well, then, I MIGHT try it. But until that 'ship' rolls in, I'll have to keep tightening our vacation spending belt for each trip back. We may not even be able to afford a WDW vacation someday if the prices keep going up the way they are.
Originally Posted By blueharvest82 I just listened to jim hills podcast. I was already on board for night kingdom, and after hearing more details and who the are catering to, I agree even more. There are so many families that can't afford to go every year and only go once every 10 years or so; this is really going to appeal to them, because when you hardly go to disney, you want to make it as special as possible and this new park gives you the oppourtunity. There are still millions of thing for the frequen visitor and the annual pass holder to do, and new attractions are being announced all the time. I think this is a great idea and I back it 100%. I am an annual passholder and I can't wait to go. The thing is, a lot of the annual passholders and frequent visitors think disney should cater exclusively to them because they go to disney the most, but visiting a lot doesn't mean you are spending the most money because you know all the deals and the values,and the tricks. At the end of the day, disney is a business, a big business, but still a business. Their job is to find new and exciting ways to make money and hopefully keep everyone entertained at the same time. As Jim hill put it, all the on-line people should support DNK, so it will do well and then disney can use the profit towards projects everyone will be happy with! Disney's Night Kingdom-10/1/11 yay! ps. you can see the land already cleared out to the west of the magic kingdom.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "...because when you hardly go to disney, you want to make it as special as possible..." Well, if it ends up being as popular as it could be, how do you explain to Junior that you couldn't get to do the zipline over the aligators because they ran out of space, and the next extra special trip he is able to take will be when he has his own family? If it's what I'm picturing, this will not be a problem since I don't see many people wanting to pay that much for it, but if it is what you are saying, it will leave a lot of unhappy families left out.
Originally Posted By blueharvest82 Seaworld's discovery cove has half the capacity (1000 guests per day) than the proposed DNK. DC is always sold out and does very well and costs $149-200. DNK will have twice the capacity and have more to do and bring that quality that only disney can. I tink that is worth the extra $50-$100. As far as being hard to get into, since it is so exclusive and they are proposing to have 4000 CM's so the ratio will be 2:1, you have to treat it like a tough disney restaurant and make your reservations early. I know all the parents make their cinderella breakfast reservations 180 days in advance.
Originally Posted By leobloom >>new attractions are being announced all the time>> >>disney can use the profit towards projects everyone will be happy with!>> TSM is the only announced attraction that hasn't opened, right? There's nothing else under construction, is there? (And I don't count Disney's American Idol...)
Originally Posted By Bob Paris ^ DNK is not something I have much interest in but I am sure you probably would not have much trouble keeping all this from "junior"'s attention. While he MAY hear or see something about a zipline or night safari, all you have to do is divert his attention to an exciting afternoon on Tom Sawyer Island or the normal safari at DAK. As another poster said, there are innumerable activities to do at WDW and most within the budget of a family who visit say once every year or two. Personally I have ZERO sympathy for the indulged, whingeing APers who(childlike in their own way)complain because they cannot join the Van Der Bilt's three evenings per week at DNK after they had dropped in for a coffee on Main Street on their way home from work. For the vast majority of people a holiday at WDW is a SPECIAL EVENT. For a privilleged few it is some kind of mall hangout. They will just have to deal.
Originally Posted By leobloom So is Night Kingdom separate from DAK? That just doesn't make sense. How are they going to come up with 4000 more CMs? They're already scraping the bottom of the Central Florida bucket when it comes to staffing what they already have. Are they going to cross-train DAK CMs for NK? I'd hate to see what would happen if Disney had to find 4000 more employees...or more correctly, I'd hate to think about whom they would hire.
