Originally Posted By Dabob2 <That fact is not going away Dabob and will keep the dems out of power for generations.> Generations, huh? We'll see. (gad): <It's only "that simple" to people who see things simplistically. > Exactly. On the nose. As the link pointed out, Beau, the strategy of invading Iraq has been, if anything, counterproductive to the actual war on terror.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << So how is that "keeping us safe from the terrorists killing people all over the planet"? >> In case you havn't noticed, we havn't been hit since 9-11 while the rest of the world is getting hit. How can that be? Maybe Bush is doing something right after all by finally going on the offensive and pre-empting attacks here at home. The really bad news for liberals is that if we do get hit, liberals will get blamed for undermining our war effort. << Bombings and attacks have continued unabated all over the globe, and fighting iraqi insurgents isn't going to change any of it. It's an ineffective strategy that's making the situation worse, not better. >> I guess we will have to let history be the judge. We just killed the number one terrorist in the world and we have arrested hundreds more. We are killing terrorists everyday also. What is the SF liberal plan again? Be nice to them? << I'm amazed at this sentiment every time I see it. We have committed our military and our honor on a war that was based on falsehoods - and we're still there. >> If you think removing Saddam was not honerable then that says a lot. You need to drop the falsehhood myths because more and more documents are showing Bush was right about everything.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ I see. If terrorists don't hit the United States it is because of Dubya. If terrorists DO hit the United States it is not because of anything Dubya did or didn't do. It's because of Democrats. Even though the Republicans control the White House and both houses of Congress. Gotcha.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy If we get hit people are going to ask what happened. It will take them about 30 seconds to see who has been trying to keep the country safe and who has been pushing to give terrorists more rights and who has been leaking our anti terror secrets.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I've been spraying for ants ever since 9/11 - and we haven't had another terrorist attack in the US. Coincidence? I think not! That's no more ridiculous than you thinking our actions in iraq are preventing terrorist attacks. As you must know by now, iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and was never a threat. In the meantime, the people that actually did attack us - we're hardly even trying anymore ... <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13699308/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13 699308/</a> >> NEW YORK - The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, The New York Times reported in its Tuesday edition. The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the CIA Counterterrorist Center, the officials told the paper. <<
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << That's no more ridiculous than you thinking our actions in iraq are preventing terrorist attacks. As you must know by now, iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and was never a threat. >> You keep saying that but never prove it because your flat out wrong on this point in my opinion based on the real evidence. >> NEW YORK - The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, The New York Times reported in its Tuesday edition. The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the CIA Counterterrorist Center, the officials told the paper. << Hey! you posted a misleading NY Times story. Are you saying you are OK if we go into Iran or Pakistan to get Bin Laden?
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> You keep saying that but never prove it << You're the one saying that there's a causal relationship between the iraq war and the lack of US terror attacks, so the burden of proof is on you. And you can't do it for the simple reason that there's no connection between iraq and 9/11. One day maybe you'll get that. >> Hey! you posted a misleading NY Times story. << Actually it's an AP story that's linked to MSNBC. Why, do you doubt the validity? Here's the nasty little secret that bush would rather you didn't know - he isn't interested in capturing or killing bin laden and he never was. He's already publicly stated it - "I don't know where he is and honestly I don't spend much time thinking about him". Remember that one? This administration uses fear-mongering to maintain its power, and they require ever greater threats in order for this method to work. Aren't you at least a little bit curious as to why we can't find bin laden? Easy - we're not trying. Not only do bush and bin laden need each other, but the bush family and the bin laden family are old friends. Yet they tell you to get hopping mad at saddam and you do. You never question it, and instead just keep chanting about what an evil guy saddam was. Why do you care? Because the president tells you to, and you'll believe anything he says. Even after all you know.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << And you can't do it for the simple reason that there's no connection between iraq and 9/11. One day maybe you'll get that. >> The connection is Iraq and Al Quaida and terrorsim. NOBODY said Iraq was part of the 9-11 attacks. Just curious gadzux. What would you do about the terrorism problem if you were in charge? They seem to be real people killing innocent people all over the world. At least our governemnt has kept us safe since 9-11 even with liberals trying to undermine our security programs. >> Hey! you posted a misleading NY Times story. << Actually it's an AP story that's linked to MSNBC. Why, do you doubt the validity>> Because the story is misleading and tries to hint that we are done looking for Bin Laden. I commented on this story a while back at a differnt place. << This administration uses fear-mongering to maintain its power, and they require ever greater threats in order for this method to work. >> You can say this stuff all day as the bombs go off around the world. unreal. << Aren't you at least a little bit curious as to why we can't find bin laden? Easy - we're not trying. Not only do bush and bin laden need each other, but the bush family and the bin laden family are old friends. >> Gadzuux you know I like you but wow... you are in full blown moonbat mode here. If Bin Laden is in Pakistan or Iran how are we supposed to get him? Are you saying we should invade other countries? Countries that mean us no harm and all that stuff you like to say. << Why do you care? Because the president tells you to, and you'll believe anything he says. Even after all you know. >> I have studies what Saddam did, who he was, what he meant to world peace and stability. He violated ever human and civil right liberals say they are fans of, yet for some reason they want Saddam in power. Really, I wish you could have a 24/7 cable news show Gadzuux.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Let's go back to front this time. >> Really, I wish you could have a 24/7 cable news show << Me too - with show tunes. >> He violated ever human and civil right liberals say they are fans of << And for most of the time he was doing it, he was a putative ally of the US, with rumsfeld paying cordial visits in iraq to shake hands for the cameras. >> If Bin Laden is in Pakistan or Iran how are we supposed to get him? << It's highly unlikely that he's in iran. Pakistan maybe, but they're an "ally" too. We've blown up lots of stuff in pakistan already, so it's not much of a problem - especially if it results in the death of bin laden. But from what I understand, he's still in remote regions of afghanistan, requires dialysis daily, cannot move very far or very fast, and has a coterie of dozens hovering and supporting him. So large amounts of food, medical supplies and who know what else must be caravaned into the wilderness regularly to support his camp. Yet our intelligence agencies and military search for years and then says "nope - we have no idea". I must be more skeptical than you are. And no, the idea that bush isn't motivated to kill bin laden is not far-fetched at all. >> You can say this stuff all day as the bombs go off around the world. << Because we're not fighting the people who are setting off bombs all over the world. We're fighting the insurgents in iraq instead. Do you mean to suggest a connection between iraqi insurgents and the bombings in india, spain, bombay, and others? Didn't think so. >> Because the story is misleading and tries to hint that we are done looking for Bin Laden. << The story is straight reporting - it sticks to the facts. Conclusions are left up to the reader. It doesn't "hint" at anything. >> What would you do about the terrorism problem if you were in charge? << I'd put a greater emphasis on actionable intelligence and small swift forces that attack the specific people that are responsible for these acts. Somewhat like the israeli forces do. I wouldn't commit our military and our country to an an undeclared war against a nation that had no involvement in our own terrorist attack, and base it on phony pretexts. Why on earth would anybody do that?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <And for most of the time he was doing it, he was a putative ally of the US, with rumsfeld paying cordial visits in iraq to shake hands for the cameras.> Our support of Iraq was limited in both scope and duration. <I wouldn't commit our military and our country to an an undeclared war against a nation that had no involvement in our own terrorist attack, and base it on phony pretexts.> Nobody did. Almost all of the reasons given for our action in Iraq were legitimate at the time, and remain valid today. Some statements made were faulty intelligence, but were believed to be true by most of the world.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Also, the documents that were found in Iraq that we are going through are finding connections from Saddam, Al Quaida and other terror operations every day. It's amazing stuff if you simply read it.
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