Originally Posted By mawnck >>And the chorus of crickets continues...<< When you wish upon a staaaaaaar ....
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I think these things are really nobody's business. As long as it isn't an affair with a person of political influence, it is between them and their spouse. The exception, perhaps, is when someone protests that sort of behavior regularly in their campaign rhetoric. Or when someone like Ted Haggard, who actively attempted to make life miserable for gay people, only to be hiring male prostitutes. Even when that happened, I saw the devestation on his wife's face -- that mix of disbelief, bewilderment, pain. So, I felt at the time that although someone like Haggard surely "asked for" the predictable backlash he got, I felt like perhaps it would be better to not do the predictable thing and heap scorn upon him.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I really don't think it should matter in most cases either, but I'm still waiting to hear from those who insist it should why it shouldn't in McCain's case.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Here's another jem from the article: <<Sarah Palin's fifth child, a son named Trig, was born in April with Down syndrome. Internet bloggers have been suggesting that the child was actually born to Bristol Palin but that her mother, the 44-year-old Alaska governor, claimed to be the mother. Palin spokesman Bill McAllister emphatically denied those rumors, and McCain adviser Mark Salter said the campaign announced the daughter's pregnancy to rebut them.>> So basically, Palin throws her daughter under the bus to save her own ass --- can we say "mother of the year"!!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <chirp, chirp, chirp> STILL nothing from the people who insisted infidelity matters on why it doesn't in McCain's case...? Still think that a man who would cheat on his wife would cheat or be dishonorable in general? Or did that magically go away?
Originally Posted By mawnck >> Still think that a man who would cheat on his wife would cheat or be dishonorable in general? Or did that magically go away?<< Magically went away when the daughter used spit to fix Trig's hair. Considering that the hair was not sticking up at all, and I'm a cynical son of a gun, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that was planned. The next big thing from the Republicans, after McCain's big moment this evening, is going to be the biggest character assassination campaign television has ever seen. I'm predicting it right here. They've used the word "character" way WAY too much in their speeches this week for it to be a coincidence. And the Dems are countering with the issues. Issues issues issues. Should be fun, in a train-wreck sort of way.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Any money spent on confirming whether someone is an adulterer--THAT's on the person burning the bucks. The spouse hiring an investigator, that I get. Anyone outside of the marriage doing so? Just salaciousness. And truth? Truth about SEX? That, too, is only owed within the marriage. The only correct answer to anyone else, really, is "I beg your pardon!" Which means "how shocking you should ask; it's clearly none of your business.">> Clinton had sex with an intern, an employee. At the least, that's sexual harrassment in the workplace. There was every reason for officials to invesigate that possibility. Here in the Detroit area, our esteemed mayor had affairs with at least three women who were not his wife. When a couple of cops determined through routine inspections of city bills that Kwame might be getting it on with his personal assistant, Kwame immediately fired them both. And then he paid them MILLIONS of dollars of the CITY'S money to settle their lawsuit -- for the assurance that they not reveal his infidelity. Not anyone's concern but the spouse's?! I beg to differ with you, jdub. Elected public officials are responsible to thousands of people, not just their wives. And when their philandering critically affects the finances and/or reputation of those people's city/state/country, it's all of those people's business.
Originally Posted By jdub Clinton's a pig, but did he REALLY owe anyone outside his family a truthful answer? Edwards? Similarly porky, but was it anyone else's business? Tons of government cash DID go into the Clinton investigation, but I wouldn't consider that HIS fault. What a waste of government time and money that all was. And then the gossip about what Mrs. Clinton should or should not do about it all? Salacious b.s.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Clinton had sex with an intern, an employee. At the least, that's sexual harrassment in the workplace.*** I don't consider sex with a subordinate in the workplace (literally, in this case lol) to be harassment, so long as it was mutually consensual. I know some will argue that it is, but I just don't believe that (nor would I consider it anyone's business if I chose to sleep with my boss). Real harassment..different story. But I don't recall reading about any coercion or anything to that effect.
Originally Posted By Mr X The story Inspector is relating sounds quite a bit more complicated though.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Clinton had sex with an intern, an employee. At the least, that's sexual harrassment in the workplace./// Nope, not true at all. I don't see it like that at all irrespecive of what others hold. To me sexual harrassment equals ***unwanted*** sexual overtones, advances, charged environment or even quid pro quo arrangements. Lewinksy not only welcomed but pursued the affair thus no sexual harrassment, none.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox "Elected public officials are responsible to thousands of people, not just their wives. And when their philandering critically affects the finances and/or reputation of those people's city/state/country, it's all of those people's business." Then by your logic, Rudy Giuliani's affairs affected millions of people in the Five Boroughs since he used city resources to carry out and cover up his clandestine rendezvous. Yet he still felt OK to run for President as a fiscal conservative! Jerk. Dabob2, I also wonder what happened to those infidelity protesters regarding McCain. I guess they are too busy bashing The Liberal Media on other boards.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<I don't consider sex with a subordinate in the workplace (literally, in this case lol) to be harassment, so long as it was mutually consensual.>> <<To me sexual harrassment equals ***unwanted*** sexual overtones, advances, charged environment or even quid pro quo arrangements.>> I concede to you guys. I should have written something to the effect that, "Clinton's affair with a subordinate COULD have constituted sexual harassment." I've worked in major institutions in which sex with a subordinate is considered, de facto, to be sexual harassment. But I agree with your point that two employees on different power levels can mutually agree to have fun with cigars. However, because of the possibility that it was sexual harassment, I think it was entirely legitimate to investigate Clinton's affair with a subordinate. And entirely slimy of him to act outraged about that charge up until the semen-coated evidence was put in his face. His lies cost the US millions.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<"Elected public officials are responsible to thousands of people, not just their wives. And when their philandering critically affects the finances and/or reputation of those people's city/state/country, it's all of those people's business." Then by your logic, Rudy Giuliani's affairs affected millions of people in the Five Boroughs since he used city resources to carry out and cover up his clandestine rendezvous.>> Absolutely. By my logic, if Giuliani burned substantial public resources to conduct or hide his affair, he was stealing from the residents of the Five Boroughs. <<Yet he still felt OK to run for President as a fiscal conservative!>> It would have been worse if he'd run as a moral conservative.
Originally Posted By barboy ///I think it was entirely legitimate to investigate Clinton's affair with a subordinate./// Why? Again, if Lewinsky welcomed the romance then there was no 'victim' thus no need for an investigation. Are you really suggesting the state decide on behalf of the intern--- act as her 'conservator'---thus circumventing her wishes and use public funds to do it? I can see you don't like the guy but why not find better things like how his administration greased the tracks for a job exodus to foreign nations to which to hang him.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Network announcer's voice-over: "Welcome back to 'Judge barboy.' Tonight's episode: Judge barboy and The Man Who Was Almost Certainly Falsely Accused of Rape." Video opens onto a small, spartan courtroom. Judge barboy sits behind his bench. The accused and the accuser sit in a familiar fashion with their respective attorneys at desks before the bench. A paunchy and bored-looking bailiff stands at the rear door of the courtroom. Judge barboy picks up a file, peruses the cover sheet for a second, and speaks: "Mr. Smith, please stand." The accused man stands. "Mr. Smith, you are here because you are being charged with committing sexual assault upon Miss Jones. How do you plead?" "Your honor, it couldn't have been assault, because we never even had sex." "Well, I guess that settles the matter, don't it? Mr. Smith, you are--" The accuser's attorney rises and interjects: "Your Honor, the victim is prepared to take the stand and--" Judge barboy: "Mr. Prosecutor, are you thick? If there weren't no sex, there weren't no sexual assault. Now sit down. The charges are dismissed." Cut to: [Commercial for Pocket Fisherman] [Commercial for ScientCo Male Enhancement System] [Commercial for Las Vegas] [Commercial for Miracle Hair Restorer] Scene II opens on the same courtroom, with the same cast of characters. Judge barboy: "Mr. Smith, I am very sorry to have to drag you in here again. But here's the deal. You told me you didn't have sex with Ms. Jones. However, Mr. Hotshot Prosecuting Attorney has provided me with photos of you having sex with her in the woods near her home. Now I gotta ask you another question. Did you assault her?" Mr. Smith: "When you asked me before if I had sex with her, I forgot that I did. But now I remember it. We did have sex. It was her idea and she liked it a LOT." Judge barboy: "You know, that's kind of what I suspected all along. So the defen--" Prosecuting Attorney: "Your Honor, my client would like to make a st--" Judge barboy: "Stop wasting my time, Al. This court has heard the evidence. Mr. Smith, you're free to go. Sorry about this misunderstanding. Grab yourself a donut on the way out -- unless, that is, Officer Johnson has already polished 'em off!" Camera pans to the Bailiff, who gives a sheepish grimace. All laugh. Fade.
Originally Posted By dshyates Oh and did anyone catch the 1-800 number for the pocket fisherman? I have beeen looking for one for years.
