Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<They're run by bean counters who look on their spreadsheet, see that they're still making buckets of money, and thus don't see a need for the next $100 million attraction.>> You're right - and I totally understand that. It's really no different than any other large corporation in this country - all they care about is profits, not about making the best product out there. I keep hoping that things will change, but with each passing year, it seems less and less likely that Disney will ever get back to what they once were as a company.
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt R.I.P. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zbwM-sZWbM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...wM-sZWbM</a>
Originally Posted By brotherdave It's funny, during the 1980s and early 90s, EPCOT Center was my favorite park at WDW. Now, I still enjoy Epcot, but the quality of some of the attractions shrunk with the lettering in the park's name. Gone were such classics as Horizons, World of Motion, and Journey Into Imagination that I enjoyed to ride over and over again. All three were long rides (15-20 minutes each), and were so rich in their storytelling. Now, if a ride goes much more than 5 minutes, it seems to be looked down upon by the public and Disney. Thrill rides are fun, but so are the long family friendly rides that were once the park's staple. You can argue that their lines got shorter over the years, but if kept up to date in the right way, they could still be pulling the crowds in today. Funny how Spaceship Earth and Living With the Land still pull the crowds in. I think the others still could have also if given the right TLC...
Originally Posted By dshyates Recent rumors say that the run time on Harry Potter And The Forbidden Journey is 7:33. Now that is one long modern dark ride. I am glad to see that Disney is back to...What!?!....Universal!?!....Nevermind.
Originally Posted By Mr X How long is HM exactly? Anybody know (I'm just curious for comparison since Mansion is the one that I consider perfect length-wise)?
Originally Posted By Mr X Thanks. Wow, including the stretching room!? That's surprising. I imagined it was longer.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I don't believe it...Iger doesn't know what they are planning up, and I know for a fact that the Dreamport was looked at for ideas for the next version. This was just a quick PR answer, I think.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Yeah, cuz WDI knows what they're doing - like with FL Forest - you know, that design that's so close to done that they dob't know where any rides are going despite the fact that they've started ground breaking/construction. Yeah, that group of well organized people.
Originally Posted By disney pete it is strange to compare my videos of 97 of disneyworld and to whats there now,some of the new stuff is great but i so miss the older stuff.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 sad when you have to go to South Park to find a newer version of Dreamfinder
Originally Posted By Socrates Hasn't the big complaint lately been about too many recycled ideas? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By MPierce Good point Socrates. I guess the use of recycled ideas, attractions, fireworks, and parades are either a good idea or a bad idea, depending on the individual point of view of that particular poster.
Originally Posted By Manfried Recycled ideas are tired ideas from people with nostalgic memories of something that they think was good. Major point: The original Journey Into Imagination ride never had a long line after a couple years. Why? Because it was BORING!
Originally Posted By mousermerf That's not true - at least the long line part. It saw far more guests then the current version does. People may have called Horizons, World of Motion and Journey into Imagination boring but they were high capacity rides that saw high numbers of guests. Seas with Nemo is very similar - it has minimal waits but is outpacing many attractions for guest counts. No one is calling it an abysmal failure or utterly boring. We are, however, calling the current Journey with a much lower capacity and no traffic a failure. We are calling M:S with a lower capacity and much less traffic and outrageous price tag a borderline failure. Test Track? Soarin? Those are successes, whether someone likes them or not.
Originally Posted By mousermerf And seriously - did the last two versions of Journey have long wait times or anything other then a walk-on beyond their opening weekends despite reduced vehicle capacity during the makeover...? Sounds like BORING hit harder each subsequent attempt if i'm remembering the order of events properly.
Originally Posted By Manfried None of them have what I would call long-lasting appeal. The basic premise of the Journey into Imagination is sound, but the execution has not been all that great. It tries to literal when it shouldn't. In the original ride it tried to be literal and then allegorical. It couldn't make up its mind. I think they could take the premise and maybe the characters and turn loose some real creative storytellers like Lasseter and Burton on it and have a ball.
Originally Posted By danyoung >That's not true - at least the long line part. It saw far more guests then the current version does.< I think that the original version got far more people than the current version, but still it was almost always a walk-on. So yeah, the original Journey was better, ridership wise, but it was in no way a success.
Originally Posted By mousermerf How is it not a success if vastly more people rode it and it had a vastly higher capacity? People went to it, got on, rode it, came off, had positive image, and often rode again on subsequent trips. The current version is flat out avoided. That's the exact opposite, and it has less capacity. What is your measure of success?
Originally Posted By danyoung My measure of success in this case is my own memory. I'm not saying that it was a flat out failure, but it certainly wasn't a success. Even considering its high capacity it was still one of the most ignored attractions in Futureworld. World of Motion and Horizons both had similar short lines, but I personally liked them both very much, so perhaps my perception is a bit colored. But then all three got eventually shut down, so there ya go.
