Originally Posted By utahjosh Believing in the bible is not a sin. I invite you to consider, humbly, that Jesus Christ lived and was truly the Son of God, come with love to ALL. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://mormon.org/faq/topic/testimony/question/purpose-of-testimony">http://mormon.org/faq/topic/te...estimony</a>
Originally Posted By utahjosh Saying something is a sin isn't the same as making a judgement on someone.
Originally Posted By ecdc Believing the United States is a Christian nation is a sin. Baptizing dead people against their expressed wishes when they were living is a sin. Oh, this is fun! I can just take things I don't like and call them a sin and blame my own preconceived beliefs on God, since God conveniently never speaks up for himself! Oooh! Disney ruining their movies on blu-ray is a sin. Instant coffee is a sin. Staying in the left-hand lane when people are trying to pass is a sin. Believing homosexuality is a sin is a sin.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Saying something is a sin isn't the same as making a judgement on someone.<< Most patently dumb sentence of the week ... and it's only Monday.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Saying something is a sin isn't the same as making a judgement on someone.<< I'm making a judgement on this duck dimwit. He said that the pre-civil rights era was one where black people were perfectly happy and content. I judge that to be a ludicrous, racist statement. While his homophobic comments are getting the most attention, his defenders have been quite hush-hush about the racial parts of it because even most of them know what hogwash it is. Think about it. Here's a very wealthy, supposedly educated 'reality' tv star in 2013 talking about how good African Americans had it back in the good ol' days. Indefensible.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Nice piece on Daily Kos today about the yuppies turned fake redneck for profit a la Duck Dynasty: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/20/1264354/-Duck-Dynasty-is-a-Fake-Yuppies-in-Red-Neck-Drag-Con-Job">http://www.dailykos.com/story/...-Con-Job</a> Apparently, the creator of Duck Dynasty, Scott Gurney, was in an indie gay porn flick. I wonder if Phil knew about that before accepting such a lucrative fake, uh, reality show gig? Also, there are six pre-show photos showing how these guys and their wives looked before the show was created. Ken and Barbie aren't as white as these yuppies. This is nothing short of a scam. Period. And after reading this article, I'm thoroughly convinced that this was all done deliberately to put the show in the spotlight and goose their ratings. I weep for the loss of American IQ points.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "This is nothing short of a scam. Period. And after reading this article, I'm thoroughly convinced that this was all done deliberately to put the show in the spotlight and goose their ratings." Yep. And even if you assume that his statements were sincere there is absolutely no way that A&E wasn't unaware of his views since this wasn't the first time ignorant remarks have come from his mouth.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yep. I pointed out in post #29 that the Robertson's look had been crafted for the show. The whole thing is fake from beginning to end.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The thing with calling something a sin is that it is only a valid statement from within one's particular choice of religion. It's irrelevant as soon as you use it outside of the context of your faith.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Also his "suspension" is meaningless. They've already taped the coming season, it's in the can, and he's all over it. So how is he "suspended," exactly? It wouldn't surprise me at all if A&E planned this and timed this. Most reality shows that were once the hottest thing going fade after a while through sheer repetition and the fact that the subjects just aren't that interesting. But this is the biggest cash cow A&E has ever had, so it's completely possible that they decided to turn their loyal audience from loyal to ULTRA-loyal by ginning up this controversy, knowing that as soon as they issued this bogus "suspension," idiots like Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal would be bellyaching about "free speech" and "the 1st amendment" (which, of course, doesn't even apply to private enterprise like A&E) and the redneck followers of the show would turn from fans into uber-fans, because Phil was "under attack," just like they feel straight white Christians in general are "the real persecuted minority these days." These people are nothing if not loyal and calcified in their loyalties. Palin herself is example A - her 15 minutes should have been up years ago, but she's still trotted out regularly because she still has her idiot constituency. Sure enough DD merch is flying off the shelves to an even greater degree than before and I guarantee ratings for the next season will be up, when you might have expected a slight downturn at this point in a reality show's lifecycle. The DD guys have gone from "guys I like to watch" to "cultural warriors/heroes" among tea party types. And this probably means the show/cash cow continues a season or two longer than it would have otherwise. The more gays, blacks, and people-with-a-brain are offended, the more the show's fans will like it. They kinda live for that. And they will absolutely rally and stay rallied around this guy, and probably insist that the photos showing what fakes these faux-rednecks (actually wealthy yuppies) are must have been photoshopped. "While his homophobic comments are getting the most attention, his defenders have been quite hush-hush about the racial parts of it because even most of them know what hogwash it is." I think probably half of them know it's hogwash, and the other half believe it too. Seriously - I know people quite well on my Mom's side who think everything was hunky dory pre-civil rights and that both blacks AND whites were better off in those glorious days gone by. Some just have very selective and often self-congratulatory memories (I'm thinking about the people who compare Phil to Rosa Parks - !! - when back in the day they either did or would have opposed Rosa Parks with everything they had), but others really think things were better then.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo It's a Sin: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7I5UaB7mx4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...5UaB7mx4</a>
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>It wouldn't surprise me at all if A&E planned this and timed this. << Suddenly everyone is agreeing with me. Post #27 "Has it occurred to anyone that this fracas was not an accident, but was done on purpose?"
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Suddenly everyone is agreeing with me.<< Nope. I'm still standing by post 28. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: There are plenty of people in this world who say things all the time that my sisters and I don't agree with. But we still have to acknowledge their right to say what they believe. There are mature ways to react and well as immature ways to react. If only people could learn how to disagree agreeably.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Nobody here has said that this guy didn't have the right to say what he said. However, if you say idiotic things, the rest of us have the right to call them idiotic. Simple as that.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>If only people could learn how to disagree agreeably.<< I feel no moral imperative to be agreeable to bigots. I think they should be shunned, loudly and vocally, at every opportunity. Wish A&E would do the same. They have the right to speak out. And we as a society should have the right to eliminate them from the public airwaves.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Saying something is a sin isn't the same as making a judgement on someone*** True. You actually have to start calling them names like "sinner" and "bitch", THEN you're on the good and proper judgemental path.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Nope. I'm still standing by post 28. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.<< We all know that the folksy attitudes and the ZZ Top beards are all for show, and that they aren't like in real life. I'm just hoping this stupid show runs its course. If I see another official piece of "Duck Dynasty" merchandise for sale I might toss my cookies.
Originally Posted By mawnck 45 seconds of Googling, and guess what? A&E doesn't even make Duck Dynasty, and the family, whoever they are, are not even under contract to A&E. A&E owns the name "Duck Dynasty", but of course that's not the name of the duck call company. The perps are a reality show production company called Gurney Productions … and if Civil War II breaks out, I vote that this is the first place the Union should blow up. Observe: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.gurneyproductions.com/our-shows">http://www.gurneyproductions.c...ur-shows</a> I happened to stumble across a few minutes of "Wild Recon" a few days ago, and realized that yes, the dumb people in this country really ARE getting dumber. It's literally the worst TV show I've ever seen … and I worked TV Master Control for 9 years.
