Originally Posted By ChiMike >>what I am saying from my experience and many of the people I have met at OKW is that there are more like me than I think you may think there are. No, no blanket statement covers everyone, but your original post made it sound like 99% could not stay at the GF before DVC and I think that is a gross miscalculation. Could everyone, no agreed, but let's not make it sound like the vast majority pooled their penny jars and ponied up for DVC either as I do not believe that's true.<< First, like Spirit mentioned above I just have a different POV culminating from my own observations and exposure. I would say what you lay out is now currently more the exception rather than the rule. Now here is where this communication medium has us differing more than we would in person. I would say, which I am hoping is what you are basing your view on, that when OKW was for sale a much much larger portion of members who had bought in were coming from families w/ long histories at WDW and were more than likely staying at the Deluxes. That would be absolutely 100%. I would say though that since about 1998 or 1999 there has been a shift both by Disney and thier own guest where most of the members are coming from the 2nd generation of WDW families and those families were coming out of the moderates, off-property, and WL.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>wasn't hunting you down but I can tell you really, that $15K for 8 days in Hawaii makes you a far larger spender than me... there are far better deals than that available.<< There are far better deals available at Disney but that doesn't mean I'm an idiot for not going to Pop Century.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>As for travel. Once you spend 15K on a trip to Hawaii.... you spent 15K on a trip to Hawaii. If you spend 15K on a DVC. Becides your annual fees you got a "free" place to stay the following year. I also would not consider buying property in FL.<< Thank you! I'm glad somebody understands my DVC sales pitch.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < I would say, which I am hoping is what you are basing your view on, that when OKW was for sale a much much larger portion of members who had bought in were coming from families w/ long histories at WDW and were more than likely staying at the Deluxes. That would be absolutely 100%.< Yes, I would be in agreement with this and also adding the fact that many of the original buyers from OKW also have pruchased additional points at other properties and I think sometimes that is also overlooked in the demographics. I purchased at Vero Beach, I know other who purchased - mostly at Boardwalk. I would agree that the buyers who did not get in the first few years, likely were not those who were going every year for a while. There are some I am sure that the whole time share concept took a while to look into ( which is why I did not buy the first year ) - and without knowing, only guessing, the demographics probably lend themselves to younger families let's say buying into SS than are members at OKW -
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>wasn't hunting you down but I can tell you really, that $15K for 8 days in Hawaii makes you a far larger spender than me... there are far better deals than that available.<< There are far better deals available at Disney but that doesn't mean I'm an idiot for not going to Pop Century.< I don't think you're an idiot for spending $15K in Hawaii either, as I said I would like to be on that trip...all I am saying is that is far above the norm for people who travel there for 8 days.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Well, to make TDLFan happy, when the plane ticket alone is $2900 x 2. That 15K threshold creeps up faster than you would think
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Well, to make TDLFan happy, when the plane ticket alone is $2900 x 2. That 15K threshold creeps up faster than you would think< I guess because I don't travel to Hawaii often I overlooked the 1st class plane tix -- I rarely if ever do within US as I just don't see the value for that short a period of time. Now going to Germany a few years ago I flew 1st class and it was about $7k round trip for 2. Another reason I rarely if ever do that - just seems like a waste of money that could be better spent there.
Originally Posted By ChiMike ^ We wouldn't have either but at the time it was actually a good deal for first class and the trip was a special, once in a lifetime splurge.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ then that makes sense - our upcoming trip to Ireland / England for 20th anniversary somewhat the same....a once in a lifetime deal as far as i am concerned, so the QM2 will be great, but can't afford to travel that way all the time...
