Originally Posted By Mr X Or perhaps you learned of this important issue from Dick Army? <a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/dick_armey_so_many_dems_are_voting_early_because_t.php" target="_blank">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi...se_t.php</a> ***After CBS News reported today that Democrats are showing strong numbers at early voting polls, FreedomWorks CEO Dick Armey offered his theory as to why: Those Dems are committing voter fraud.***
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I'd like for P*nis Air Force to explain how voters commit fraud by using ballots MAILED to them at their place of residence. That's what most early voting entails. Or going down to City Hall and casting your ballot early inside the Dept of Elections office. How exactly do you commit voter fraud in this fashion?
Originally Posted By Mr X Those minorities are stealing our country! It must be through underhanded, criminal voting fraud! Since it's impossible that they could actually, you know, *win* the vote honestly. Simply impossible. Must be something fishy going on here!
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< ***It's probably a way to combat voter fraud too*** Where did you hear about voter fraud being a concern? I'd be interested in reading more, could you provide links? >>> DAR, I'm interested in hearing about this too. For a state to completely switch its voting from in-person to mail-only because of voter fraud, it must have been quite a large problem. Please enlighten us with the information you have - I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else.
Originally Posted By DAR Here's one: <a href="http://www3.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=386498" target="_blank">http://www3.jsonline.com/story...d=386498</a> and another <a href="http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/86917797.html" target="_blank">http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/...797.html</a>
Originally Posted By DAR Here's another case that was brought to light: <a href="http://www.startribune.com/politics/33551514.html" target="_blank">http://www.startribune.com/pol...514.html</a> Remember you guys are the one's putting a political label on this, not me. I'm against any type of voter fraud or suppression whether no matter who's doing it.
Originally Posted By SuperDry DAR, I read through each of the links. #1 concerned tire-slashing of vans rented to transport voters to polling places. #2 concerned voter registration fraud and a disqualified felon voting. #3 concerned an activist group that was calling certain voters in an alleged attempt to scare them into not voting. None of them occurred in Washington State. #2 and #3 would seemingly have nothing to do with switching to an all-absentee election, and it would seem to be a stretch that anyone would propose switching to an all-absentee by-mail election just because on one election, some tires got slashed. Or is that what you're suggesting? DAR, I'm still trying to understand why you think that Washington State's switch to all by-mail election has anything to do with election fraud. Could you please enlighten us as to why you posted that you thought it might?
Originally Posted By DAR I could care less about Washington State. I was pointing out what happened in Wisconsin. And as I've said before I'm concerned with voter fraud and suppression whether it's Republicans or Democrats doing it. You guys are the one's labeling this as an issue for only one party. You know what I don't care, my Packers and Badgers won this weekend and that's all that matters.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I could care less about Washington State. >>> You, in post #14, in response to Washington State going to an all-absentee voting, said: <<< It's probably a way to combat voter fraud too. >>> You cared enough at the time to make a comment about it. I and others have asked for you tell us where that comment came from, and despite several follow-up posts, you have been unable or unwilling to do so. It's a simple question - why can't you answer it? <<< I was pointing out what happened in Wisconsin. >>> And that was in response to my question for you to back up your comment about Washington State. <<< You guys are the one's labeling this as an issue for only one party. >>> Really? Is that why you said in #2: <<< If you're a Democrat in Wisconsin you add the phrase "and often" to vote early. >>> Was that you just being an independent thinker, and not trying tag one particular party as being responsible for the problem? Or was that you labeling it as a problem of a specific political party?
Originally Posted By DAR It's called a joke so lighten up. You know what I'm in a good mood and I won't have it ruined.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< It's called a joke so lighten up. >>> The thing is, despite your claim to not bringing partisanship into every discussion, your "jokes" are always right off the GOP talking points list. They seem to just roll off the tips of your fingers, even though you seem to get upset when someone suggests that you're being partisan. And, if it was all just a joke to start with, you wouldn't have taken the time to argue the point, post a bunch of links, and so on. On several occasions, you've vehemently denied being a noise machine victim, yet your posts continue to reflect the talking points. Even if you don't ultimately change your opinions on things, several of us are at least hoping that you'll eventually come to realize that where and how you get your information is having a significant effect on the way you view things, in ways you don't seem to be aware of. <<< You know what I'm in a good mood and I won't have it ruined. >>> I certainly would not want to take that away from you. Go Packers! Yay Badgers! Sometimes the best things in life are the simplest ones.
Originally Posted By Mr X It's interesting that when asked to provide examples of voter fraud two of your three examples are nothing of the sort, rather voter intimidation. Now, voter intimidation IS certainly a rampant problem in America and it's not all that difficult to find plenty of examples. The interesting thing about it is that oftentimes the folks guilty of voter intimidation use the excuse of "trying to prevent voter fraud" as their motive. And yet, it's awfully difficult (as DAR has illustrated here) to even FIND EXAMPLES of such a thing. Sure it happens, and it's a crime. But it's hardly the rampant problem that certain folks want to make it out to be. Obviously, their strategy is a successful one though, since we have so many people screaming "voter fraud!" without having any, you know, proof to back up their worries. As far as one of DAR's ACTUAL examples of voter fraud from the second link, it's a pretty thin one. A felon trying to vote isn't a good thing of course, but it could be as simple as the felon not realizing he wasn't allowed to. The laws differ even from state to state, some states ban felons from voting forever, some for a period of time, some not at all.
Originally Posted By DAR I don't want any voter fraud but some of you are okay with it. And that's just weird to me.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I don't want any voter fraud but some of you are okay with it. And that's just weird to me. >>> Who on this thread has said that they want any voter fraud? DAR, please point out what you're talking about. It's almost as if you're doing the very thing that you frequently complain that others do to you: put words in your mouth and attribute to you things you didn't say.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< don't want any voter fraud but some of you are okay with it. And that's just weird to me. >>> Also, you've come full circle. First, you seem to be posting legitimate concerns about voter fraud, and respond a few times. When asked specific questions that you seem unable to answer, you then say "It's called a joke so lighten up." Then you switch directions once again and claim that some of us are okay with voter fraud, which is hardly a laughing matter. So which is it, DAR. Is this thread one big joke to you, or is voting integrity a serious matter?
Originally Posted By DAR Voter fraud and supression is a serious matter but you can add a little levity to the situation
