Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 all consideration should be taken for people. When people smoke, my mom gets these horrible headaches that last for hours and even days. I mean, just dont smoke. Youre in the Happiest PLace on Earth to have fun with people that you love, not light up every time you get off a ride. Actually, last time i was at WDW in June, i saw about 50 peeps get told to put their cigarettes out right after they lit them. ALl in 1 day! that was a day i was very proud of Disney.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>I mean, just dont smoke.<<< Spoken by a person that never smoked. It really makes me upset when people over simplify a real problem. Don't you think that if one could "just not smoke" they would have done so ages ago. Smoking is a real addiction. One that was a social acceptable and encouraged habit for many, many years.
Originally Posted By kennect Goofyernmost, I love the post you just made above...It really sort of hits the nail on it head to some degree regarding this whole thread....I just wonder how some of the LP'ers I know that do smoke are going to handle this new policy when they visit the parks...
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 i find it quite appalling actually that people are killing themselves for what? its not like a drug that gives you a high. cigarettes and cigars just make you look (not really) cool in some peoples opinion. Plus, it takes a large amount of money out of your pocket yearly.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I guess the fact they have your credit card # does not make you as nervous as it would make me.>> Nah. The fact certain Disney execs have files on me concerns me a whole lot more.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<Nah. The fact certain Disney execs have files on me concerns me a whole lot more.>> Huh?
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 What if you get a mousekeeper who doesn't like something about you, and turns you in as a smoker? Can you defend yourself, especially if you've already left? What a way to guarantee a good tip.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Nah. The fact certain Disney execs have files on me concerns me a whole lot more.>> <<Huh?>> What don't you understand? I simply stated a fact about myself and certain WDC execs, who fear and (occassionally) act out against me.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN In regards to the non-smoking policy. Fear not. Guests will still smoke in their rooms, and Disney won't do a thing to penalize these offenders. While I applaud the whole thing... it's just hogwash talk from management.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Our local travel section in todays Sunday paper had an article about the new policy.I am sure smokers will ignore and still smoke in their hotel rooms. It just means the person checking in had better report any lingering smoke smells Which also seems ridiculous!
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<What don't you understand? I simply stated a fact about myself and certain WDC execs, who fear and (occassionally) act out against me.>> First off, thanks for responding to me like I'm a complete idiot. Every time I think you're a really nice guy, Spirit, you know exactly how to remedy that. I just find it odd that some WDW execs have "files on you". What are they, the FBI?
Originally Posted By MPierce Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. I've heard about those Disney Execs torture chambers.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<First off, thanks for responding to me like I'm a complete idiot. Every time I think you're a really nice guy, Spirit, you know exactly how to remedy that.>> Uhm, Nikki, at the risk of sounding like Dr. Phil, no one can make you feel anyway you don't choose to feel. I never meant/intended/suggested you were a complete idiot. I don't feel that way either. A bit high strung, definitely. I didn't think you understood what I was saying -- you did type 'HUH?' -- so I tried to be clearer. And I know I'm a nice guy by the amount of times I get screwed for doing the right thing, but that's a whole other story. <<I just find it odd that some WDW execs have "files on you". What are they, the FBI? >> You find it odd? I find it sick, bizarre, intrusive and, likely on some level, illegal or at least actionable. But you must understand that when people in authority (even limited to running theme parks) feel threatened, they act out. The fact I have been approached to author a book on WDW, an unauthorized book on how the Mouse really operates behind the scenes, makes some folks in power want to pooh in their pants. I've never claimed to be a typical spirit here, Nikki. I don't want to be either. But when you have a strong voice, are intelligent, are knowledgable and stand out, you're going to make your share of enemies. And once again let me state, how I wish Brad Rex the best in his new job ... and maybe soon he'll be able to have Phil Holmes and Erin Wallace join him ;-)
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>But you must understand that when people in authority (even limited to running theme parks) feel threatened, they act out.<< I also know for a fact that people who complain on a regular basis to Disney's Guest Relations (and are dumb enough to register their complaints with the same name and address) are also kept on a "watch file" to monitor the regularity of their rants... and so forth. Maybe that's the reason why so many dead fish have been left at my doorsteps??? Dunno...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost ^^^There is a reason for that record keeping and as a former CM I would think that you would not only understand why but be happy about it. I deal with complaints on a daily basis and believe me there are people out there that complain for the sake of complaining. The have inner security problems and are as paranoid as people can get. If you, as a CM, were to be at the receiving end of those complaints you would want "management" to have kept a record of past complaints. It may very well save your job. When one deals with the public there is no way to know which one is telling the truth. If you have a record of someone continuously complaining about everything then you know how much weight to put on the complaint. The squeaky wheel does not always get repaired, just soothed and then management moves on. Without that record you would be subject to the mental illness of a lot of the public. Not all procedures have an evil intent. Reading some of the posts in this thread I have to think that it isn't just the public that have a bit of a paranoia problem.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<Uhm, Nikki, at the risk of sounding like Dr. Phil, no one can make you feel anyway you don't choose to feel.>> Sweetheart, obviously YOU don't understand. I said you responded to me as if I were an idiot - I never said I felt like an idiot. No one on this board, least of all YOU, could ever make me feel that way. <<Reading some of the posts in this thread I have to think that it isn't just the public that have a bit of a paranoia problem.>> Agreed, danyoung. <<And I know I'm a nice guy by the amount of times I get screwed for doing the right thing, but that's a whole other story.>> I only know you by what you post, and lately you've become more of an egotistical blowhard than usual. You may have a fund of insider Disney knowledge beyond my understanding, but the way you respond to people on these boards sometimes is just downright rude. I don't take issue with what you know, but how inflated your ego seems to be from that knowledge. However, this is a personal dispute between you and I and for one won't take up any more of this post with this issue.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I deal with complaints on a daily basis and believe me there are people out there that complain for the sake of complaining. The have inner security problems and are as paranoid as people can get. If you, as a CM, were to be at the receiving end of those complaints you would want "management" to have kept a record of past complaints. It may very well save your job. When one deals with the public there is no way to know which one is telling the truth. If you have a record of someone continuously complaining about everything then you know how much weight to put on the complaint. The squeaky wheel does not always get repaired, just soothed and then management moves on. Without that record you would be subject to the mental illness of a lot of the public. Not all procedures have an evil intent.>> Oh please, give it up. If you keep complaining (let's say at the MK) because you find dirty restrooms or have a nasty CM or an unsafe situation, exactly what does blacklisting the person do? Is the McCarthy era? Wait, I forgot who's been at 1600 Penn. Ave. the past eight years. I wouldn't waste my time, for example, complaining at City Hall because I want things changed ... I don't want a free ticket or a free breakfast at the Crystal Palace ... but it's scary the way companies can operate. I can recall dealing with Gateway over a plasma TV (best advice, don't ever spend a penny on one of their products) and spending days jumping thru hoops just to get a repairman out for a $3,000 purchase. When it was finally 'fixed' on two occassions, it failed and I had to begin the process all over again ... which starts with being on hold for 60 minutes before a person in India picks up and tells me 'Sir, I'm sorry I don't have your problem on my screen.' ... long story short, it ended with the company illegally transferring the serial number from my new plasma to a used/rebuilt/returned one ... when I finally contacted the compay's then-CEO still not much was done. AT that point I just wanted the TV gone and a full refund ... but instead i got to deal with some Orwellian department called th 'Escalation Unit.' Scary. Disney is no better at all. <<Reading some of the posts in this thread I have to think that it isn't just the public that have a bit of a paranoia problem.>> Like what posts, Goof?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Sweetheart, obviously YOU don't understand. I said you responded to me as if I were an idiot - I never said I felt like an idiot. No one on this board, least of all YOU, could ever make me feel that way.>> No, sweetheart, I don't understand. Not one bit. I thought you didn't understand something as written and clarified to help and yet again you chose to be insulted when no insult was ever intended. I thought you didn't understand. I guess I mistook what the word 'HUH' could mean. My mistake. <<And I know I'm a nice guy by the amount of times I get screwed for doing the right thing, but that's a whole other story.>> <<I only know you by what you post, and lately you've become more of an egotistical blowhard than usual.>> How sweet. She likes me. She really, really likes me. <<You may have a fund of insider Disney knowledge beyond my understanding, but the way you respond to people on these boards sometimes is just downright rude.>> I am never deliberately rude to anyone unless they are to me. You know like by calling someone an 'egotistical blowhard.' That's just not nice, Saint Nikki. <<I don't take issue with what you know, but how inflated your ego seems to be from that knowledge.>> I don't have an inflated ego. If anything I sell myself short. If this were the real world I'd tell you (basically a stranger) to just go have a magical day and I'd be done with it. But since this is an online community I try and play nice. I also have a friend, a real world friend on this site, who happens to (for reasons so far invisible to me) have a high opinion of you ... so I try and chalk things up to different personalities and some people taking my no-bull-stong writing voice personally. Like now, I have no clue what put the fireants in your pants ... really ... no clue ... except you apparently live for perceived insults where none exist. <<However, this is a personal dispute between you and I and for one won't take up any more of this post with this issue.>> So now it's a dispute? I thought it was a discussion and I'm more than happy here to continue it. One thing I won't do is play like you did with VBDAD and wind up running away because your feelings were hurt. I also won't change my posting style or voice just because it might intimidate some folks.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<One thing I won't do is play like you did with VBDAD and wind up running away because your feelings were hurt.>> When did I run away? BTW, if you want to continue this, you can e-mail me at nikchat74@hotmail.com.
