Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I have never ever posted in World Events and I have zero intention of starting now. < my vote for the most intelligent thought in this thread !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Yeah, so anyhow, snowcones all around! That said, as a person who's currently smoking again, it bugs me that there will now only be designated smoking areas at the hotels, BUT so what? Last trip I was in a non-smoking room so I just went outside every time I wanted a cig.< good attempt Ann.....another barnburner in the works.....deja vu all over again
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Oh, and before you try and get me tossed off LP.com, know this: I am going no where. < very good news indeed
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<just a suggestion.....review the last 30 or so posts and if you are comfortable with what you have said - fine. If not, NOW would be the time to address before it gets worse.....or someone 'rides to the rescue' and makes it worse yet....>> I'm quite comfortable in what I have said. I really am struggling to figure out how I have hurt Nikki's feelings ... I know children who aren't upset as easily. < I am glad you went back , and I purposely asked everyone as opposed to specific people to go back as I really believed that if they did, and the beginning of the name calling was identified, it could get a person to see where this escalated....and stop it. I guess I was wrong.....
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey Yes, Spirit, you and your vast fund of knowledge about everything makes me feel insignificant. I cry myself to sleep each and every night because I'm not as scathingly intelligent about every subject on the planet as you are. <<Oh, and before you try and get me tossed off LP.com, know this: I am going no where.>> I'm not trying to get you thrown off, I'm simply expressing my opinion about you. Besides, I wouldn't waste my time trying to get you thrown off-you've already exhibited the ability to do that yourself. <<So what really makes you feel insignificant, Nikki? Intelligence? Confidence? Knowledge? Experience? Social awareness and a sense of what community is all about?>> Sweetheart, I have all of those things. As for social awareness and community, let's talk about that. Is social awareness and community talking a good talk about the evils of Wal-Mart, or is is staying in a town that was destryed by a major hurricane and refusing to leave because it's home and you want to do you part to make it florish and return better than ever? Is it protesting the evils of the current administration or trying to get your teaching license and get a job in one of the worst public school systems in the country in the hopes that you can make a difference? Keep stubbornly turning your nose up at Wal-Mart and patting yourself on the back for your social awareness, Spirit - I can feel the social reform flowing through the system as we speak!
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<I am glad you went back , and I purposely asked everyone as opposed to specific people to go back as I really believed that if they did, and the beginning of the name calling was identified, it could get a person to see where this escalated....and stop it. I guess I was wrong.....>> I know where it escalated, and I didn't have to go back to look at the posts. I once took offense to Spirit's attitude and finally decided to call him on it. I'll admit my choice of words may have been wrong (egotistical blowhard, to refresh everyone's memory), but I will be more PC and say that I have a serious problem with Spirit's attitude on these boards. If that makes me wrong, so be it. I'm not the only one who has a problem with him - I'm just the one stubborn enough to say it. I will also agree that I am stubborn and hardheaded and I often latch on to topics like a starving pit bull who with a steak. However, I do it because I feel strongly about something. Perhaps if I'd said something earlier, the furnace wouldn't have blown as it has, and that's my fault. I will not apologize for my opinion.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Intelligence? Confidence? Knowledge? Experience? Social awareness and a sense of what community is all about?< okay - for what it's worth - my other cents I am trying to figure out why sometimes ( and I stress sometimes ) knowledge/ experience etc. upset people, or why some comments just seem to rub people the wrong way. I ( and to avoid the martyr syndrome - others I respect here on LP in WDW as well as W/E ) - get pegged as boorish / pompous / arrogant etc when talking about things they know a great deal about...more than most other posters would/could ever ? Unless someone comes out and says I am the all-knowing being in the universe on all topics - why not learn from people with more knowledge than oneself ? There are areas in W/E that I would consider myself to be an expert in. People pay good money to attend MBA classes I teach on those subjects, based on my own academic background as well as 30 years of corporate management experience, yet you get people who rip you for being a show off - or a know it all. Well sometimes others know more than you on a subject - deal with it. I will not apologize for the knowledge or background I have - most know here I grew up very poor , in a bad area, and was the first in my family to go to college, get an MBA, get a phd etc.....I did learn something along the way. I know Spirit has forgotten more about WDW than I have ever known, so I listen and read to learn more....in W/E I have gotten a good deal of knowledge in legal areas from people like SPP on current issues, and it makes me a better person to understand what they are saying. I come to LP because of the great cross section of experiences and knowledge that post here, with a backdrop of a passion for Disney as a modifier. Where else can one find common ground and yet be able to disagree on other terms? The Disney factor gives a benchmark for rational ( or irrational as my DW might say) - territory that may cause one to listen more to another theory. Spirit and I in a past life once jousted over DVC.....both entrenched on opposite viewpoints I believe we both came to see what the other was saying ( after some spirited discussions - but never name calling ) - and isn't that why we're here folks? There is a lot to be gained by frequenting this site, and no one should ever have to apologize for what they know. If I was ever to get the chance to visit TDL - I know exactly who I would want to tell me how to best enjoy the park as well as the surrounding area there..doesn't mean you have to agree with the person on everything, but listen to what they do know so very well and learn from it. Usually one finds people who are knowledgeable in one area, have other strong skills...and ones I'd like to grow my own knowledge in. okay - I am not a moderator here ( I actually am on a local chat room for our school district - and if you think it gets heated here - deal with a board on people's children and taxes) - so I have no authority to attempt to control anything...and I know I likely violate the rules of common sense here once in a while too, I just hope that when I do I have the sense to see if it was me who started the flame war, or seriously escalated it..and apologize. there's my other 3 cents or so - for what it's worth -- let the bashing begin.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < Perhaps if I'd said something earlier, the furnace wouldn't have blown as it has, and that's my fault.< having been here, all I asked to be considered...thanks <I will not apologize for my opinion.< would never ask for that, or else the purpose of boards like this would cease immediately, and I know would be of no interest to me if all had the same opinion <(egotistical blowhard, to refresh everyone's memory)< that's the one ! - it's just my opinion but I felt the minute I read that, that the thread was headed for the proverbial cliff.....
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey I have absolutely no problem with the fact that Spirit knows more about WDW than I do. I know for a fact that you yourself can blow me away on any business subject, and I fully acknowledge that fact. However, I do have a major problem when someone cops an attitude about their knowledge, which I feel Spirit does regularly. I have no problem with someone being more knowledgable about a subject than me, but don't talk to me as though I'm beneath you. I responded to Spirit's statement that some WDW execs had files on him with an questioning exclamation of shock (simply, "huh?") and he responded, not by clarifying or further explaining his statement, but condescendingly by asking me what part of the statement I didn't understand. It was condescending, and had I responded in the same way to someone on this board, I would've gotten nailed for it. I work with a physician who has at least 10 registered patents and is widely accepted as one of the premier experts on carcinoid cancer in the US, if not the world. He is so intelligent it's literally frightening, and I often have questions for him about his work which are probably downright stupid. Never once has he responded to me with "What part of that did you not understand". I also work with some physicians who do little more than enlarge breasts and reduce noses all day long, and they think they're God's gift in the brain department. It's not how intelligent you are, it's how you present yourself and your intelligence to the world that matters.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I'm really not sure whether I should even bother with this really ... I could be reading one of the many books I have piled up ... or maybe even finish my DLP Trip report while everything is fresh. But instead I'll go back yet again ... <<Yes, Spirit, you and your vast fund of knowledge about everything makes me feel insignificant. I cry myself to sleep each and every night because I'm not as scathingly intelligent about every subject on the planet as you are.>> You really have quite an inferiority complex, Nikki. I am not a know-it-all, and I seriously doubt if I come off that way ... except possibly on Disney. And, if I do, so what? I'll go out on a very small limb and say that out of the regular crop of posters there isn't anyone here who has the breath of historical knowledge and experience of TWDC's Florida parks from both a creative end to the business side of the spectrum as I do. Again, when a publisher courts you (or anyone else here) to pen a book on the subject, then feel free to disagree. As to other subjects, well I'm sure we both know about plenty of things and we both are ignorant about many. That's life. <<Oh, and before you try and get me tossed off LP.com, know this: I am going no where.>> <<I'm not trying to get you thrown off, I'm simply expressing my opinion about you.>> Fine. You don't like or respect me. Guess what? After years of trying in vein to be cordial, the feeling is mutual. But I seem to recall in the Community Standards that individual posters weren't supposed to be subjects of posts ... and name-calling certainly shouldn't be. It's just what happens when ignorant people can't respond like adults. <<Besides, I wouldn't waste my time trying to get you thrown off-you've already exhibited the ability to do that yourself.>> I was not thrown off, I was asked to leave ... and it was over a very similar situation (hence my comment that you will not drive me off LP.com). I was definitely partly to blame as I got into a personal deal with someone (someone I actually respect, I might add) and let it denigrate. That won't happen here, no matter how hard you try. <<Keep stubbornly turning your nose up at Wal-Mart and patting yourself on the back for your social awareness, Spirit - I can feel the social reform flowing through the system as we speak!>> I will keep hating WalMart for what it represents and what it does to the American worker and you can keep showing your ignorance by continuing to patronize them to save $3.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<However, I do have a major problem when someone cops an attitude about their knowledge, which I feel Spirit does regularly. I have no problem with someone being more knowledgable about a subject than me, but don't talk to me as though I'm beneath you.>> Again, Nikki, you don't know me. You're utterly clueless about me, so how you know I'm 'copping an attitude' is ludicris. <<I responded to Spirit's statement that some WDW execs had files on him with an questioning exclamation of shock (simply, "huh?") and he responded, not by clarifying or further explaining his statement, but condescendingly by asking me what part of the statement I didn't understand. It was condescending, and had I responded in the same way to someone on this board, I would've gotten nailed for it.>> No. Nikki. It wasn't condescending ... it sure wasn't intended to be. It was simple. It was asking what you didn't understand. And I really have no desire to spew forth details that are personal regarding my relationship with certain past and present WDW execs. In a forum such as this that could only have negative repercusions for me. I just have one bit of advice, one I'm damn sure you won't take but think about it. If you have such strong negative feelings about me (or anyone else here for that matter), why engage them in discussion? Seriously. Why? Why not stick to the simple "what's your favorite ride at Epcot' or 'best character breakfast for my daughter' or 'PO or CBR' threads? Because, rest assured, you won't find this Spirit there.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "Unless someone comes out and says I am the all-knowing being in the universe on all topics - why not learn from people with more knowledge than oneself ?" Very wise words.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "or maybe even finish my DLP Trip report while everything is fresh." Yes please...
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<I just have one bit of advice, one I'm damn sure you won't take but think about it. If you have such strong negative feelings about me (or anyone else here for that matter), why engage them in discussion?>> I asked a question, and you responded. Though your certainly NOT my favorite person on this board, I freely acknowledge that you know more about TDWC than me, and that's fine. I asked a question, and you responded. I didn't like the way you responded. It's that simple. I apologize for the name calling. There was a much better way to put how I felt about you, but instead my fingers started typing before the filter on my brain engaged itself. Again, my apologies. <<"Unless someone comes out and says I am the all-knowing being in the universe on all topics - why not learn from people with more knowledge than oneself ?">> I don't have a problem learning from someone else-I have a problem with attitudes, and I'm not the only one. If was the only one who had a problem with Spirit, I'd keep my mouth shut and chalk it up to two different personalities rubbing each other the wrong way. However, there are many people here who have the same feelings. I'm the one who decided to call him on it. Sue me. Also Spirit, you ASSUMED I'm one of the socially blind masses who shop at Wal-Mart; I assure you I do not shop there, and as I stated in an earlier post that is not the extent of my social and community awareness. <<I just have one bit of advice, one I'm damn sure you won't take but think about it. If you have such strong negative feelings about me (or anyone else here for that matter), why engage them in discussion?>> Because I often feel the same way about the direction of the company that you do. Because I agree that you know more about TDWC than me and I like to discuss the company. Because I'm not going to let you have the last definitive word without responding-that would be appealing to your seemingly self-satisfying nature, and I'm not going to do it.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey Spirit, let's agree on a few things - let's agree to disagree and allow this topic to rest. You don't like me, I don't like you - let's move on for the sake of the other posters in this community. I've said my piece and I'm ready to walk away from this topic.
Originally Posted By MPierce Nothing like a couple of ice cold, cheap American beers, and a good night of sleep to clear one's head. Now where should I begin.... >> <<Why not give this Utopian society a try. I'm certain you could find hundreds of better places to live than this depressing country, and NO I'm not saying "America, Love It or Leave it", I just couldn't resist throwing that in. >> Frankly, that's ALWAYS the view of those people who resent dissent. << I embrace dissent, I'm always up for a lively debate on who the better band is The Beatles or The Rolling Stones. I'm sorry I thought I made that statement perfectly clear by playing up on the old phrase "America Love It or Leave It", evidently I didn't make my jest clear enough. >> I love America. I do not love what Bush and his cronies have done to it. And I am a registered Republican. No, I won't prove it. << I never requested proof of your party affiliation, and I certainly would never do so. I do not doubt your word, you have never given me reason to question your honesty. >> That's my last word on that subject in this thread. << I will respect that statement, and not request anymore clarification of political matters in this thread also. However I still would like to know what "Homespun WalMart Talk" is. I also share your Strong Dislike of WalMart. >> Honestly, since you're the only one who brought up my 'shot' at the right-wing, I would guess you care a lot. << Honestly, I don't, I only care about political spin injected into topics about Disney. >> Uhm ... I am suffering from a Nikki moment and I don't want to attack you for it, so can you clarify as to what administration you're speaking of? George Bush's or Meg Crofton's? << The Bush administration, and the President, it was the reason for my last post. I am interested in your on going dislike of Meg Crofton being selected head of WDW, that's because it pertains to WDW, and that's what this forum is about. >> Great./ What would you like my opinion on about WDW? I have plenty ... and I love sharing. << Anything, and everything, how about Meg Crofton, better yet every Disney executive. After you finish your report on DLP how about starting individual threads on a different Disney executive, every week or so. I think everyone would enjoy that, I know I would. I realise it's a huge request but I think your up to it. >> Supper? Must be a New Englander ... << I'm about as far away from being a New Englander as you can get. I love to cover my Chicken Fried Steak in Milk Gravy. >> What's she cooking? Maybe I can ride my Merc... I mean bike over and eat with you. My Mom left me alone and I had to eat at McDonald's. << That's OK you can say Mercedes Benz. They make an excellent automobile, I've never implied anything about Mercedes or Honda or anybody who chooses to own such vehicles. McDonalds is an excellent choice. My only problem with then is trying to decide on a Big Mac or a Quarter Pounder with Cheese.
Originally Posted By MPierce Sorry, I forgot to put in my only real important statement. >> Yeah, so anyhow, snowcones all around! That said, as a person who's currently smoking again, it bugs me that there will now only be designated smoking areas at the hotels, BUT so what? Last trip I was in a non-smoking room so I just went outside every time I wanted a cig. << Hang in there Labuda, you only have to be successful one time in your quest to stop smoking, and thanks for the snowcone.I haven't had one in 46 years, and it made me remember how good they were on a summer day. What a treat.
Originally Posted By AuroraRose <<and you'll hang on like a rabid pitbull>> HEY! Leave pitbulls out of this : )
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Hey Rober from post #1... rumor is the No-smoking policy is better at DLR than WDW. Any info on that?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Hang in there Labuda, you only have to be successful one time in your quest to stop smoking<< I doubt anyone would be able to quit smoking while participating in these boards...
