Originally Posted By FerretAfros Like so many in this world, he was a friend who simply overstayed his welcome. I have no doubt that without him, Disney would not be nearly the company it is today, in a good way. Sure, by the end of his time he started making some poor decisions (closing down 2D animation, ABC Family channel-which isn't the worst thing ever, budget cuts to DCA), but overall his impact on the company was far more positive than any one person could ever take away from it. He took it from a floundering fish out of water to the global entertainment megagiant that it is today.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I believe that the damage done to the Disney Brand reputation by Eisner far outweighs the few good attractions he greenlight. Now Disney is looked at as the greediest, lowest common denominator, entertainment company out there.>> If that were true, there wouldn't be a hundred+ million people worldwide visiting their parks every year.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Of course there would. Many of those guests are coming to the parks because of Walt Disney's fine reputation from the past more than from anything Mr. Eisner did. He is over-credited far too much. Frank Wells is the one whose praises really deserve to be sung.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Why the insistance on diminishing Eisner is beyond me, but let me just say that just as many if not more millions of people are not coming to the parks because of Walt Disney or his reputation. Heck, some people don't even think he was a real person. No, they come because of all the stuff that came well after Walt... stuff that was created during Eisner's tenure.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Why the insistance on diminishing Eisner is beyond me<< He treated an awful lot of people unbelievably badly. Why is it beyond you?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>He treated an awful lot of people unbelievably badly.<<< So did Walt Disney - can you say McCarthy witch hunts? But we still admire the guy, right?
Originally Posted By dshyates >>Why the insistance on diminishing Eisner is beyond me<< He sold 500 million dollars worth of Disney stock before he decided to implement his push for Mickey Mouse toilet paper. We haven't seen the end result on the company from his supersaturation marketing plan, and I don't think in the long run making people sick to death of Disney is a good plan.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So did Walt Disney - can you say McCarthy witch hunts? But we still admire the guy, right?<< Walt Disney > Eisner
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Walt Disney > Eisner>> And in all likelyhood Eisner has done far greater things than you. I guess that makes you... what? <<Why is it beyond you?>> Because I really don't feel a need to villify someone I don't know.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Neither do we. But a very close friend of our DID know Mr. Eisner personally and her opinion of him is good enough for us. (Not to mention what's painfully obvious even if you NEVER knew the man personally.)
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Frankly, the fact that Eisner may have been a jerk to his employees doesn't bother me a bit. Without his leadership the Walt Disney Company would more than likely not exist today as an independent company. I don't have to like working for the guy to recognize what he did for the company.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Without his leadership the Walt Disney Company would more than likely not exist today as an independent company." Without slavery America wouldn't be where we are at today.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip No offense, but that is one of the most meaningless analogies I've ever heard.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Without slavery America wouldn't be where we are at today.>> These are the types of ridiculous statements that in my mind completely undermine your position. Comparing what Eisner did while CEO of TWDC, to slavery in America, is dumb.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The defense of Einser cracks me up. He did good from 1984 to 1994 ... from then on it was all down hill.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<He did good from 1984 to 1994>> Yeah, that DAK is so weak. TDS... so weak. Puh-leez.
Originally Posted By dshyates "These are the types of ridiculous statements that in my mind completely undermine your position. Comparing what Eisner did while CEO of TWDC, to slavery in America, is dumb." My you guys are so literal. It was simply a statement saying the ends don't always justify the means. And I was in no way, I repeat, NO WAY comparing Eisner and slavery. And as far as Eisner's bullying people. Ask George Lucas and John Lassiter how well Eisner managed Disney's resources. If Eisner wasn't such an ass Star Tours would have been upgraded 10 years ago. And now that he is gone we get a new Star Tours and Pixar didn't walk.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>TDS... so weak.<< HELLO .... cough-Oriental Land Co.-cough! If the Tokyo Disney Resort WERE owned and operated by the US based Walt Disney Co. ... DisneySea would like something like DCA! I'm out of here ....... this talk of Eisner IS a waist of time. He did plenty of damage that is taking YEARS to reverse. HACK AT YOUR DEFENSE of this man all you want. bye!
Originally Posted By dshyates "Yeah, that DAK is so weak. TDS... so weak." DAK, while lush, was weak when it opened and 10 years later is very little better. Foliage does not a theme park make. And Michael Eisner didn't build TDS, the OLC did. If it was up to Eisner TDS would be chocked full of portable mad mouses and wave swingers.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<HELLO .... cough-Oriental Land Co.-cough!>> That TDR is owned by someone else is beside the point. It was created by the company, under his leadership. AND DAK *is* owned in whole by TWDC, which you oh-so-conveniently ignore because it doesn't support your argument.
