Originally Posted By leemac <<Otherwise..why are there so many people in the US who are willing to overpay online for these TDR dvd programs???>> Depends on your definition of "so many". If you mean some dedicated hardcore fans then right but that market isn't going to yield profits when the thing needs to be produced and then distributed. Is Best Buy and Walmart going to be interested in that? No. So there goes the domestic market. I don't have a problem with the production values on the Planning DVDs so I have no idea what you are talking about. I find them slick and appropriate for the market.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "Totally different product gurgitoy. Big difference from a "souvenir" DVD and one that is "behind-the-scenes" like so many of the TDR ones. BVHE have determined that there isn't the market for those geek DVDs in the US. I'm inclined to agree with them." Well, what about things like the "Modern Marvels" special (now on DVD) about the behind the scenes goings on at WDW? Also, like TDLFAN said, the TDR DVD's aren't really behind the scenes either, with the exception of the one new one. The TDR DVD's are very similar to the souvenir DVD's you can buy from the US parks...it's just that in Japan you can buy them (like the TDR CD's) in regular shops accross the country. I really don't think that Disney is aiming the souvenir DVD's at "geeks" though, more like the average guest. I don't imagine that the TDR DVD's are really aimed at "geeks" either.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Ok...here are some examples. TDR releases Fantillusion on Video and DVD. Also, they have a park sing-a-long. Disneyland releases the Main Street Electrical Parade on VHS. Also, they release several park sing-a-longs. Disneyland releases the Lion King Celebration Parade on VHS. TDR releases Porto Paradiso Water Carnival on DVD. I really don't see a difference, other than TDR's are availible nationwide...
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Depends on your definition of "so many". If you mean some dedicated hardcore fans then right but that market isn't going to yield profits when the thing needs to be produced and then distributed.<< Well yes, I am talking about the hardcore market. But do you honestly believe there is a high market in Japan for TDR dvds pass the hardcore japanese fanbase?? Of course NOT! The difference to me seems to be in the way America tends to mass product everything. Will retail chains be interested in WDW specific dvds? Well... I do not know the answer for that but retails like Walmart and best Buy *do* sell park specific sing along dvds... so what gives?. >>I don't have a problem with the production values on the Planning DVDs so I have no idea what you are talking about. I find them slick and appropriate for the market.<< My problem lies in the fact that much of the stuff you see advertized in the planning dvds is material that we have all seen used on TV commercials before. As opposed to the TDR dvds where seems to me 100% of the material is especially produced for these video shows. That's my problem with them planning dvds. But hey! They are free.
Originally Posted By leemac My mind must be failing me as I was certain that virtually every TDL/TDS videocassette and DVD spoke with show producers, management etc. which I've never seen on US ones. I have always felt that they were more fan-orientated than any of the US stuff. I guess my memories must be skewed if that isn't the case. The last specific US ones I recall where MSEP and LK Celebration on VHS.
Originally Posted By leemac I haven't seen all of the two new ones so can't comment fully. I'm relocating out there this week for TDS' fifth kick-off so I'll guess I'll see them then. I will have to make Mister Davison sit and critique his performance for me...
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>The TDR DVD's are very similar to the souvenir DVD's you can buy from the US parks...it's just that in Japan you can buy them (like the TDR CD's) in regular shops accross the country.<< True. It's a great convenience for consumers in Japan to be able to find these programs in retail outside of the resort. It opens the possibility of more would-be buyers to pick up a copy if they see it sitting on the shelf, as opposed to only be available to those who visit the resort. But I guess BVHE will never know since they have determined the contrary, maybe based on mass production mentality. You go to Walmart and see 30 copies of Narnia sitting on the shelf, or go to WDW and you will see a million copies of "High School Musical" in every park gift shop. In Japan... go to your average Tower Records and see one or two copies (at the most) of the TDR dvd's sitting there, and the same applies for movie releases.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>My mind must be failing me as I was certain that virtually every TDL/TDS videocassette and DVD spoke with show producers, management etc. which I've never seen on US ones. I have always felt that they were more fan-orientated than any of the US stuff. I guess my memories must be skewed if that isn't the case.<< Must be because I have NO idea what you are talking about and I have each and every park dvd/VHS ever produced for the parks in the US, Paris and Japan, including several of the WDW planners as well. In fact, the only time I recall seeing a producer on a show was in the new dvd special feature in which Steven Davison goes "ga-ga-ga berseck" over Mythica, which in reality was the lowest point in the entire new dvd, and a segment I wish they had cut off in the editing room because it's simply laughable and silly to see this man all over the place complimenting Burbank's efforts about the new show.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "My mind must be failing me as I was certain that virtually every TDL/TDS videocassette and DVD spoke with show producers, management etc. which I've never seen on US ones. I have always felt that they were more fan-orientated than any of the US stuff. I guess my memories must be skewed if that isn't the case." Yeah, your mind must be failing you. I've seen almost every TDR DVD and VHS to date, and not one has anything like you mention about show producers and management. They really are more like TDR souvenir DVD's...just availible in more places.
Originally Posted By leemac <<silly to see this man all over the place complimenting Burbank's efforts about the new show>> Glendale created the show not the OLC so I don't see what the problem is.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Glendale created the show not the OLC so I don't see what the problem is.<< Of course, you see no problem because it was Glandale and not OLC, but how would you feel if OLC had created the show for their park? But that's besides the point. The problem I have is that Steven's appearance on this dvd is so laughably silly, if I were him, I move to the mountains and never come back down.
Originally Posted By schnebs Okay, so let's assume that BVHE couldn't sell something like the Tokyo DVDs at Wally World or Tarjay (which I have to question, because WDR didn't appear to have much trouble from selling the DL 6-CD set through retailers. But I digress...) But why couldn't they be sold through the parks? The Company can't honestly look at all the people selling the"fan DVDs" and say there's no market whatsoever for something like this.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Of course, you see no problem because it was Glandale and not OLC, but how would you feel if OLC had created the show for their park?>> Not just beside the point but also a moot point as they don't have the creative skills to create a show like Mythica.
Originally Posted By leemac <<But why couldn't they be sold through the parks? The Company can't honestly look at all the people selling the"fan DVDs" and say there's no market whatsoever for something like this. >> Well the fan DVDs cost nothing but the cost of a blank DVD and having seen the quality of some of them I'm amazed they sell anyhow.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Not just beside the point but also a moot point as they don't have the creative skills to create a show like Mythica.<< As opposed to Disney not wanting to put up the money to recreate it at any of their other parks. Heck, they would probably not want to pay what OLC paid for Mythica even to build a new park somewhere.. Just look at the WDSP. So I presume having the creative talent and being cheap balances having cash to blow and no creative talents...whicg by the way it's only a matter of opinion on your part rather than a fact such as Disney being cheap now a days.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Well the fan DVDs cost nothing but the cost of a blank DVD and having seen the quality of some of them I'm amazed they sell anyhow.<< But they seem to sell nontheless, regardless of the quality of the context. Now I admit... I have never bought a fan-made dvd because I know I could do better if I had a decent videocam.
Originally Posted By SuperDry I think leemac's point about the mass market appeal of TDR DVDs in Japan is right on the money. I don't believe that there would be enough demand for similar videos in the US for them to be stocked by the big box retailers (or dedicated record stores for that matter). *Maybe* they could be successful in the parks, at WOD and the Disney Store and online, but that may not be enough of a market to make it worthwhile to produce them.
Originally Posted By schnebs << >>Well the fan DVDs cost nothing but the cost of a blank DVD and having seen the quality of some of them I'm amazed they sell anyhow.<< But they seem to sell nontheless, regardless of the quality of the context. Now I admit... I have never bought a fan-made dvd because I know I could do better if I had a decent videocam>> My point exactly! If I were an exec at WDP&R or BVHE, I'd be saying to myself, "if there are fans out there who are willing to pay $20 a DVD for something this badly done, could you imagine what we could sell a DVD with a lot better prduction values for?" Heck, if it's the quality of the video that's a problem, hire one of these guys putting together a fan DVD who has the talent but is making do with his camcaroder from Circuit City. I'd imagine the guy would work cheap - particularly if Disney came knocking and said they wanted to hire him - and he couldn't do any worse than the crummy official DVDs that WDP&R's putting out now.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I think leemac's point about the mass market appeal of TDR DVDs in Japan is right on the money.<< I think both you and Leemac fail to see that I agree the market is not sufficient for mass production, like the ways Disney overmarkets new products (go count how many left over copies of Narnia sit at your local Best Buy or Walmart), but I believe there is strong market for these types of programs within our community of fans. Plus concidering how quickly Disney is to move in a direction that steals the thunder from other companies' projects.. I am surprised they do not attempt to fill the void being filled by fan videos on sale online... God knows LP Store has quite a lineup of those.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I think there is a market in this conutry as well. Otherwise..why are there so many people in the US who are willing to overpay online for these TDR dvd programs?>> There's a simple explanation for that question: many if not most fans will never go to TDR. Buying the videos are the closest these fans will ever get to seeing these parks.
