Originally Posted By Mr X ***It's very hard to argue any different than what you believe in. I could choose to say the same thing about the language in your points, however I won't. I don't believe you are parroting others. I believe them to be your word because that's how you feel.*** I suppose that's a fair point. I remember being mildly amused when Douglas accused me of parroting some talking point in which I'd actually done NO reading whatsoever and was simply speaking off the top of my head. So, I guess you speak off the top of your head a lot like the right wing noise machine. ***I've got to go now as I am being paged back into the real world.*** Sorry to hear that! Later.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Okay, that's fair. I should've said a lot of them don't invest *heavily* in the economy. And I could name plenty (George Soros for starters) << George Soros is probably the heaviest contributor to the far left causes in America.
Originally Posted By fkurucz "Just how much do you think is fair for the rich to pay? Do you want everybody to be middle class or poor." The same percentage as if it were earned income would be a good start. <<Exactly how much money do you expect wealthy people to risk in investment with a diminishing profit margin?>> There was no shortage of real investment when the rates were equitable. I don't see how reducing taxes on speculative "investments" in stocks or real estate helps the little guy. These days the uber rich are only interested in offshoring every job they can. You can call it class envy if you want, all I know is that they don't give a rights behind about our welfare, which means we have to watch out for ourselves.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Why wouldn't you envy someone who is miles ahead of the pack income wise, AND gets personal favors from the government in order to make the gap even wider? I sure do, I would love to get breaks like that.>> But we Americans aren't supposed to feel or think that way. We are supposed to be happy with our a stagnant wages and collapsing buying power while the super rich amass an ever larger percentage of the pie, while we al sing in unison "God Bless America".
Originally Posted By Disneyday It has been written that Disney became a Republican after he had "problems" with unions. However, those who actually worked with Disney say that he was very progressive.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Do you want everybody to be middle class or poor*** How about everyone being somewhere in the middle class spectrum. Where I live, very few people live below the poverty line, and very few people earn much more than $200,000 per year, with the extreme high earners (company presidents and such) never making more than around 500k to a million MAXIMUM. Works for me.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<Mourning the glory days of the Nixon Republicans. Who'd a thunk it!?>> Sad, ain't it? But I don't think anyone from Nixon to Reagan would recognize the neo-con, religious right, ignorant masses that have taken over the party now. which is why I am a not party aligned moderate today
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Now they should make strict laws against outsourcing. If a company wants to relocate they should do so entirely, AND be restricted from any commerce with the U.S. in the process. AMEN to this !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^ what's funny is all people here agree with this- almost everyone I know agrees with this - yet neother political party seems to give a rats behind about this -- going back to the CLinton Admin where this first started heavily - up through the entire Bush admin- and continuing today... the reason ? It's called campaign contributions and lobbyists
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^ working with these daily- trust me you could not tax them enough for this to stop == when they can hire an MBA for the equivalent of $600-$800/month with no health benefits ...the gap is too wide
Originally Posted By MPierce I have been beaten into submission! I finally see the err of my ways. A bright light has appeared before me, and told me to stand up for the down trodden. In order to be fair, let's pass a new law. Everybody that makes over $250,000.00 must turn in all money, that exceeds said figure, to the government for redistribution. I'm positive they know how to use our money better than we do.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^ you can now become an Illinois resident - 100% Dem rule in Springfield and yet we still can't pass a budget because they are falling all over each other trying to 'make' the most money on everything- Governor Blago was just the tip of about a 50 year run.... Chicago / Cook County/Illinois- the pinnacle of corruption and one thought process
Originally Posted By Socrates Speaking of the wealthy, does anyone remember when industrialist J. Peter Grace said, "If you're still paying taxes, hi sucker."? And BTW, has anyone researched the politics of Walt's father? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
