Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Let's see, adults sitting around getting drunk while their kids raise hell on the grounds. I tend to respect everyone, until they prove unworthy. Age alone does not mean you deserve respect.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 Its just some people don't consider a review to be a review unless there are tons a negative things put into them because they are miserable people and they get upset when things are good and positive
Originally Posted By danyoung Meanwhile, back to the gates - I'm not a security expert, nor as far as I know is anyone else in this discussion, including you, oh great Spirit. While security bag checks are not fool proof, I believe they do indeed serve a purpose in keeping a location secure. But I still don't like the gates. They take a formerly wide open entryway and turn it into a fenced in gulag where your only entry points are very narrow gaps in the perimeter. It seems that there would easily be a better way to do this that looked better while accomplishing the same thing.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome It seems to me that having such a limited area to escape to (if something DID happen), and so many people concentrated in one area - that is a recipe for disaster. Not that anything WILL happen, but it feels much more unsafe to me. I actually parked at MGM yesterday afternoon, and walked to the IG so I didn't have to deal with it.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 I think I figured it out! do a lot of you people use ECV'S? that could be the reason you guys are getting upset about disney limiting spaces at their entrances.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 --I actually parked at MGM yesterday afternoon, and walked to the IG so I didn't have to deal with it.-- you took a forty minute walk to avoid gates that don't take any time away from entering the parks, these 4 feet tall peices of metal must really offend you.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> you took a forty minute walk to avoid gates that don't take any time away from entering the parks, these 4 feet tall peices of metal must really offend you. << About 20 minutes. Nice walk, too. I find the front area of the park extremely unattractive and not enjoyable to enter anymore. I prefer to feel like I'm entering a theme park, and the IG still does. And it's a bit safer too, often without many people.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Ok, let's not go crazy with thinking its unsafe. There are tons of openings in the gates, they're only open when Disney wants them to be, like when Epcot is closing at night. People can flow out in all directions. Guests flow into Epcot is very predictable patterns. They're either coming from the tram unload, the monorail, the buses, or walking from the main 4 lots. There's no ambiguity as to where you're coming from or going. It's never crowded, even on busy days lately. NYE will be the real test, but it should run much smoother once the trams unload at the proper side. Right now the only wrench in the works is the tram unloading at the monorail/bus entrance. It's not meant to be and congests the area.
Originally Posted By mousermerf And to clarify.. Congested: People packed in moreso then needed, harder to hard through Crowded: Long lines, like more then 3mins for bag check (which is not the case) It's just cluttered/congested when the tram unloads at the wrong side, which points back to Epcot parking being the problem, not the design.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome It's more congested than long lines, though the last bag check I had there was more than a 3 minute wait (this week). I am not sure it matters what side the tram is on, everyone lines up at the same place. It was much easier when there was "security" in front of each ticket area.
Originally Posted By mousermerf They don't line up at the same place, that's just it. There are two bag checks. Both can handle many people if staffed. They usually staff the left side, move the CM's to the right (under monorail) and leave one person at the left. If it was operating properly, Monorail and Buses would goto the right while the tram would goto the left.
Originally Posted By danyoung I have to go with merf here in that there are 2 areas. As you're facing Epcot, with the parking lot in back of you, you can either walk you your left and enter a gate facing to the right, or walk to your right and enter a gate facing left. I didn't realize till the end of my visit this last week that I was walking out of my way to go to the bag check that's nearest the ticket booths, only to find out that if I veered left I could enter through the other gate that was much closer. I think one of the most confusing things about the layout is that the gates run left to right across the entryway, but then at the bag checks you take a 90 degree turn to go through. Seems very strange to me, and not at all neccessary.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Well, there are two. The one of the left uses the canopies from the turnstiles which were relocated, and the one of the right is under the monorail station. They both exist, have tables, and people enter from them.
Originally Posted By mousermerf And if you look at how the Epcot entrance is designed - trams are meant to unload to the left area. It has taller light poles, no curb, and conveniently painted lines for the tram to follow. It unloads to that plaza, the guests enter through the left security point, and the tram advances to the loading area under the monorail walkway. It would split the guest flow pretty evenly.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Made a map: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2g7odf" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2g7odf</a> That's how it's supposed to work.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 Hers a non-sarcastic question I have for you gate-haters. Disney put up the same gates at AK, MK, and the TTC, all around the same time. I havn't heard one word about those. How come no one is swimming across the seven seas lagoon to avoid them?
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 By the way mousemerf, that link you posted was amazing, I think I spent two hours looking around the top of disney property, thanks!
