Originally Posted By danyoung >Disney put up the same gates at AK, MK, and the TTC, all around the same time.< I was just there and didn't see anything at AK and the MK other than what's been there all along. As far as I remember they are not the same gates. Whatever's there is implemented much better than at Epcot.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 The only diffrence is the color, the gates are laid out in the same way but the ones at AK and MK are themed better. I think the fact that gates are more out in the open at epcot is why you guys are attacking them, you still have to go into one direct area in all the other parks.
Originally Posted By pheneix Epcot's main entrance was not designed with security check points in mind. Obviously, none of them are, but Epcot specifically was designed for very high attendance and very efficient turnstyle throughput. The turnstyles were designed to be accessed from all angles with the intent that bus stops and monorails would primarily be accessing the western side and the parking lot would be accessing the eastern side. I don't know how this new checkpoint is going to hold up during Hell Week. I'm gonna bet that security ops will have to station more guards at every gate just to keep the lines from getting completely out of control. Also, the fence is not permanent. They will probably be there for a few years, but the border fence is a stop gap before a much bigger overhaul of Epcot's main entrance takes place.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << The turnstyles were designed to be accessed from all angles with the intent that bus stops and monorails would primarily be accessing the western side and the parking lot would be accessing the eastern side. >> EPCOT's entrance was designed long before anyone envisioned the high throughput of guests on buses and/or monorails. It was largely designed to be accessed by people entering via the parking lot because that's where the majority of guests were coming from in 1982.
Originally Posted By MPierce The gates are ugly to me, period. Nothing that's said can change my mind about that. I do not care what Disney intentded they are ugly, ugly, ugly. What is the purpose of spending millons of dollars on a theme park that contains artchitecture, and landscaping that are works of earth to me , then you surround it with an ugly fence. Are you folks out there telling me that Disney who created the Kilimanjoro Safari ride with all of their live animal barriers could not come up with anything better than what basicly boils down to a hurricane chain linked fence. Please don't tell me that's the best that Disney can do. >> Also, the fence is not permanent. They will probably be there for a few years, but the border fence is a stop gap before a much bigger overhaul of Epcot's main entrance takes place. << Very interesting, what makes you say this.
Originally Posted By MPierce ^^^ works of art, not works of earth. I guess all those years of being a tree hugging enviormentalist is starting to show thru.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Its just some people don't consider a review to be a review unless there are tons a negative things put into them because they are miserable people and they get upset when things are good and positive<< Oh please, get over your infantile personal attacks and judgemental crap. I can play the same game and play it better, mind you, but I will be professional here and not place you where your hyperactive arse belongs out of respect for others here. Sounds like you need to escape Fantasyland and smell the coffee. But I will tell you this much... pollyannas like you make me miserable. Passing judgement without offering much solid work on these boards, will not get you too far and trust me, I am already farther along than that. The day you come back to these boards with a heartfelt opinion, photos and vast experience in the Disney parks to be able to compare and comment with conviction, that will be the day I will give you a bit of respect and consider you credible. In the meantime... I will continue my rants and praise when and where they are due.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I would guess the same folks who think these gates are deterrents to 'evildoers' are the same ignorant people who feel safer at airports because we all take our shoes off and because Granny in a wheelchair gets felt up, down and sideways. So, no one is safer. Intelligent people know this. And the entrance is so much uglier.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Disney could have taken all those grave markers and put them out front to control access. That way instead of creating new ugly they would just be moving existing ugly.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 TDLfan, your simply proving my point by how angry you get. Everything has to be a negative with you and some of the others. Just let it go, be an adult. And you got a long way to go if you think being old and having lots of park maps and a collection of theme park annual passes makes you an adult. There are people that come on to these forums and ask real questions and get real answers. You are not capable of doing this. Everything is 'woe is me me, the gates at epcot, chipped paint, bad sound, new attractions!'. Dismiss me all you want, but know this, as far as the company you hold so much pride in, YOU ARE A JOKE. you and little band of ECV riding friends are the laughing stock of disney parks. You think disney owes you because you visit during slow times. Disney looks at you as the guy who is spending a dollar a day to enter the theme parks, brings a bagged lunch, and waves your AP around like a badge looking for your 10% discount. I think you and your buddies need to go out (not disney) maybe get some friends (not the anonymous people on the forums) get a hobby (not posting on anti-disney forums) maybe like bottle-cap collecting or whatever it is you people do, and stop complaining. I have heard people trying to defend these forums as places to vent, and I totally agree with that, but don't say that you also make positive comments. I have not seen one review from anyone that doesn't have some negatives thrown in, I have been reading these posts for about three years. A couple of days a go someone asked a question about attraction closures and I answered it in detail with no problems, everything was good. Then you guys gotta come on here like a couple of 15 year old girls and start drama like this is highschool. Let it go and have a happy holiday. Jon
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 And for the record, I randomly asked 50 guests in front of epcot yesterday what they thought of the new gates in the front. I got 50 of the same answers 'what gates?'
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I already apologized to you before but you have continued to attack my opinions. All I have to say to you is, you know where to kiss me. Don't patronize me by telling me to have a nice holiday. You don't mean it and I am not a hypocrit. This joke is on you, as I will have the most fullfilling Disney adventures that kids like you can only dream of. I am done with you.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Of course you asked. You are a CM there and people like me irk you. Who the #$%^ are you kidding?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Why do not some real work for your beloved Disney? Get off the electronic survey board and get a broom and dustpan. Your parks are filthy when compared to the Tokyo ones.
Originally Posted By jonvn "YOU ARE A JOKE. you and little band of ECV riding friends are the laughing stock of disney parks." I had a pretty close friend who used to work at WDW. She told me how much the employees can't stand the APs. They don't behave like normal guests and they are usually the people who are causing problems and making demands. I also got told that the employees at WDW are a pretty jaded lot, too. I don't know how it is in California but apparently the employees in Florida are not quite as thrilled as they may seem to be to listen to people whine about stuff.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN The fact remains... little hyperactive "Disney Ra-ra-rah!" CMs like this person above grow quite boring after a while and no one listen to their pollyanna views later on (That is why feather rufflers like you jonvn, Spirit and myself have lasted this long on these sites..while pro-Disney CM pukes have come and gone quickly) And forgive me if I am incorrect but, isn't this a Disney forum where the good and the bad should be discussed without regards to what the DisCo and it's poverty rate slaves think?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<YOU ARE A JOKE. you and little band of ECV riding friends are the laughing stock of disney parks. You think disney owes you because you visit during slow times. Disney looks at you as the guy who is spending a dollar a day to enter the theme parks, brings a bagged lunch, and waves your AP around like a badge looking for your 10% discount.>> Your characterization of TDLFAN is so far off the mark that it is ridiculous! It is your description that is a JOKE, not TDLFAN. TDLFAN can be a little cranky; at times even mean. But I think most of the time it's just an act and you shouldn’t take it so seriously.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Shameless plug: Check out my trip report from Paris' TOT, now avail in the Paris section for your enjoyment. Those who wish upon a star while collecting Food stamps are also welcomed to enjoy that one. Now carry on please.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Hey Roady!! I am going to EPCOT Center in a couple of hours to hopefully "take the decent into Hell" (as the new SSE has been described by others) and see for myself. I will be wearing shorts in your honor. So, how is life now a days in the frozen tundra?
Originally Posted By jonvn "pro-Disney CM pukes" It's good that someone is proud of their company and wish to defend it. I don't know if I lasted this long online because I'm a feather ruffler, or it's just something I enjoy. I think it's more of the latter. I suspect that there are quite a few people who would be more than happy if I never said another word again. Everntually that will happen. In any case, I don't know how many people actually "listen" to me anyway. I think people listen to rah rah types as much as any other type. People gravitate towards those who hold the same opinions that they do, as a form of self validation. So, people will line themselves up with whomever they think sounds good, or has the loudest voice so as to convince them that they think the same way. I generally don't do that, in that I don't really need a lot of validation from others, although it is nice of course. I just say what I think. I don't need other people to tell me what I should and should not say. I've been accused of being absolutely everything from a pollyanna with rose colored glasses to an ignorant negative whiner who hates everything. It really just doesn't matter.
