Epcot Nemo Ride: Home Run

Originally Posted By ChiMike

^ yep. And I really don't think the animations will become outdated for a long time. It's like saying the molds in POTC are outdated. The animations and molds are art. It's not like Hans & Franz in Cranium Command.

 

Originally Posted By mousefun

Yes I have, Chi Mike! In fact, I have been to Tokyo Parks. Have you?

Incidentally, Test Track rates amongst Epcot visitors as the best attraction in the park. So, with 9-10 Disney Parks in the world, my comment hold true.

Yes, Charlie. I truly feel that MS does not even cost $100 mil. This attraction is merely to theme park ROUND UP rides with low-cost video monitors. Disney always lies about the cost of their attractions, so, why stop now?

Yes, Digital. Thats what makes Nemo ride great. Plus, the "ballroom dancing" Ghost-like reflection effect, placing swimming fish in the middle of real water, is simply amazing.

 

Originally Posted By u k fan

imho, Test Track is a real snoozer. I can dodge trucks any time I drive on the freeway!

I'm really excited to see the new Nemo ride when I visit next month, it'll be top of my list (as will M:S) (as will Everest), oh ok I'm just really excited to be coming!!!

 

Originally Posted By ssWEDguy

>> Re Computer Pixar animation vs 2-D: Computer animation is nice, but, especially human faces, through time, tend to look blocky and a bit scary looking, actually. 2-D, the looks, the colors, the faces, simply endure, as they were hand-drawn, like a Picasso. <<

Okay, I can agree with your point on this. Fully realistic human faces remain a challenge.

However, that's not the same thing as saying that "2D is more timeless than 3D." I still don't get that statement.

The superbly improving quality of 3D is extremely realistic, smooth, and truly three dimensional. Each pixel is in focus, unless they choose to make it otherwise. 3D's representation of things non-human and non-faces (like all the fish in the Living Seas tank) cannot be beat by 2D.

As marvelous as Beauty and the Beast is, the scene that takes your breath away is the 3D ballroom scene. And that made even more powerful because it's an on-screen TRANSITION from 2D to 3D.


>> the looks, the colors, the faces, simply endure, as they were hand-drawn, like a Picasso. <<

Picasso's renderings were impressionistic. What I hear you saying is that impressionistic is a better thing to do than when 3D tries to go fully realistic with human faces, and still comes up short.

 

Originally Posted By ChiMike

>>Yes I have, Chi Mike! In fact, I have been to Tokyo Parks. Have you?<<

Nope, not both of 'em. But it doesn't matter. Hence my sarcastic remark. Most creative? Most people who have been to other Disney parks or even Universal parks might not call TT the most creative.....

>>Incidentally, Test Track rates amongst Epcot visitors as the best attraction in the park. So, with 9-10 Disney Parks in the world, my comment hold true.<<

For you. Not a problem. That's fine. I would venture to guess that if you asked everyone coming off of TT (who all had a fun, good ride) if Test Track was the most creative attraction they have ever experienced, you wouldn't get many yes answers.

A fun ride, but more creative than Everest? More creative than Indy?

I would think that would be a minority viewpoint. Cool beans if that's yours. I just wanted to make sure you meant what you said, and from your follow-up I now know.

TT the most creative attraction among 9-10 Disney parks including Tokyo.

>>Yes, Charlie. I truly feel that MS does not even cost $100 mil. This attraction is merely to theme park ROUND UP rides with low-cost video monitors. Disney always lies about the cost of their attractions, so, why stop now?<<

I would say your feelings betray you. $100 is lowball, some folks like JHM have pointed to above $150, $200 has been offered by a company representative, touting the company line in a Disney fan community.

Most of that cost supposedly comes with that very ROUND UP ride system including and resulting from disputes with the ride system partner.

That's why you have heard bupkis about M:S clones. If it's such a great, cheap attraction one would think that it should have been cloned already.

 

Originally Posted By ChiMike

>>Plus, the "ballroom dancing" Ghost-like reflection effect, placing swimming fish in the middle of real water, is simply amazing.<<

While Nemo does look amazing, those are two different distinct effects.

 

Originally Posted By mousefun

[imho, Test Track is a real snoozer. I can dodge trucks any time I drive on the freeway!]

Strongly disagree.

[However, that's not the same thing as saying that "2D is more timeless than 3D." I still don't get that statement.]

Pretty clear, actually. If human faces in 3-d animation are going to be contiunally used, and, you agree that 3-d human faces do date, then, many 3-d movies like Monster House, Toy Story, Philharmagic, are going to look as boring as the computer graphic used in Tron 10-20 years later, while 2-d animation, the style being colorful, and cartoonish, will stand the test of time and still look great, as experienced by 50 years films such as Fantasia, Snow White.

ChiMike! Venture to say there, good buddy, that, Everest is perhaps the least creative ride I have seen Disney put out. It's an updated version of Six Flags ancinet Mine Trine Ride, or even Thunder. Nother creative here. Boring, actually. Its all good.

And, Mike, do not believe everything you read. MS does not cost 100 mil. And, the reason for not cloning is because the ride is both a creative and guest-unappleaing disaster. Without a doubt, MS the worst Disney mess of an attraction in the past 30 years.

Oh, an Mike: the fish in water effect very similar to how the ballroom ghosts are done in mansion: Nemo Animation being reflected onto glass within the aquarium, while the ballroom dancing ghosts are reflections of "AA"'s (if you want to call them that, though, more like maniquins, onto a huge sheet of glass.

 

Originally Posted By ChiMike

>>ChiMike! Venture to say there, good buddy, that, Everest is perhaps the least creative ride I have seen Disney put out.<<

Hey, like I said, opinions are like ... ..... i have some far-out views too.

I can see what you are saying, I just wouldn't completely agree. Everest is a decent addition considering what else has come from Glendale in the last 10 years. It could have been improved in areas, it could have had a more thrilling coaster even though I like that it is more family friendly, the theming could have been more complete and grounded. It could have duplicated rides like Thunder and Matterhorn.

I would say though that it is clearly more "creative" than riding around an empty show building with some plywood and orange hazard cones - and then hitting an outdoor loop.

Same for ToT, Indy, Spiderman, MiB, CTX, Hunny Hunt, and what I assume JTTCOE & 20K.

Just a different opinion on creative.

>>Oh, an Mike: the fish in water effect very similar to how the ballroom ghosts are done in mansion: Nemo Animation being reflected onto glass within the aquarium, while the ballroom dancing ghosts are reflections of "AA"'s (if you want to call them that, though, more like maniquins, onto a huge sheet of glass.<<

I'm well aware of it. But projecting CGI in a water environment is different than backlighting a bunch of limited-movement figures. I would even say the Pepper's Ghost effect is still giving the rider a view of a full dimensional character where the new effect is still video.

 

Originally Posted By ChiMike

>>It could have NOT duplicated rides like Thunder and Matterhorn.<<

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

>Word has gotten out that Space has caused several deaths.<

I don't think this is the cause for the short lines as much as the word getting out that Space will make you SICK!

 

Originally Posted By ChiMike

>>I don't think this is the cause for the short lines as much as the word getting out that Space will make you SICK!<<

Exactly. The death card is not that big of a factor.

I would also suggest that a lot of people ride, feel fine, and simply don't find much of a need to return. It's a simulator. A VERY GOOD simulator. But a simulator.

Disney should have known that people were going to get sick and they should have known that it would have carried a very low reride appeal. It's the problem when the wrong people are given responsiblity.

 

Originally Posted By mousefun

[I can see what you are saying, I just wouldn't completely agree. Everest is a decent addition considering what else has come from Glendale in the last 10 years. ]

Ah, so, let's simply settle for the mediocre! I getcha!

[I would say though that it is clearly more "creative" than riding around an empty show building with some plywood and orange hazard cones - and then hitting an outdoor loop.]

Hmmm. What ride did you go on? I saw an intergrated piece of machinery and computers mvoing over 50 cars simoutaneoulsy around a track like i have never been on before, taking me at high speeds, moving me through cold and hot temperatures, colliding with a mac truck. On EE, I went on a coaster that simply felt like a Big Thunder been there done that redo with not an ounce of creativity to show for it. Sorry Charley!

[I'm well aware of it. But projecting CGI in a water environment is different than backlighting a bunch of limited-movement figures. I would even say the Pepper's Ghost effect is still giving the rider a view of a full dimensional character where the new effect is still video.]

Oh, please! Now you are being silly! The effect of projecting imagery onto glass to create images to appear to be floating within a 3-D environment in nemo is quite similar indeed to mansion ballroom sequence!

[I don't think this is the cause for the short lines as much as the word getting out that Space will make you SICK!]

Or, that MM sucks, hee, hee!

 

Originally Posted By junglejoy

We just got back from our first trip to WDW and I have to agree with the poster that isn't impressed with Test Track. We were very underwhelmed. I got off thinking, "That's it?" Of course we've only been to DL and WDW, so we can't compare to the other parks, but Indiana, Everest, and Rock'n Rollercoaster, Space Mountain (DL version) we like much better. Test Track was just eh. Rode it one time and won't ride it again. There's no need because it's boring.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

Test Track is one of the only examples I can think of Disney building a very bad, though technologically impressive, attraction that is extremely popular despite its total, complete and utter blandness. I'll admit it here, I enjoy Nemo more by far ... I enjoy Pooh more by far ... hell, I enjoy Primeval Whirl more by far.

Clearly, though, the tourists love it and it has been a very big hit for Disney.

 

Originally Posted By ChiMike

>>Ah, so, let's simply settle for the mediocre! I getcha!<<

If you think that is my, M.O. Well, meh.

>>Hmmm. What ride did you go on? I saw an intergrated piece of machinery and computers mvoing over 50 cars simoutaneoulsy around a track like i have never been on before, taking me at high speeds, moving me through cold and hot temperatures, colliding with a mac truck. <<

And that's why I never disagreed with your assessment that there is a lot of technology backing this ride up. I took question with the acclaim you bestow on the attraction's creative juices.

>>Oh, please! Now you are being silly! The effect of projecting imagery onto glass to create images to appear to be floating within a 3-D environment in nemo is quite similar indeed to mansion ballroom sequence!<<

People are certainly entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own set of facts.

 

Originally Posted By ChiMike

>>I'll admit it here, I enjoy Nemo more by far ... I enjoy Pooh more by far ...<<

You had me 'till .....

>> hell, I enjoy Primeval Whirl more by far.<<

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<You had me 'till .....>>

>> hell, I enjoy Primeval Whirl more by far.<<

But it is true ... while I don't like seeing that kind of attraction in a Disney park, from a pure ride enjoyment factor ... I get a whole lot more enjoyment from PW than from TT.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

>I saw an intergrated piece of machinery and computers mvoing over 50 cars simoutaneoulsy around a track like i have never been on before...<

While I enjoy TT, I have to say that I think your estimate of 50 cars moving at once might be a bit overoptimistic. As always, I could be wrong . . .

 

Originally Posted By Goofyernmost

I have to agree, it's not the building at TT that is impressive, it's the part you don't even think about...the ride vehicle. Next time you go on it ask yourself who's driving this thing. It is very high tech and impressive. Leaving that out it is also kind of a fun ride. It will never be as entertaining as World of Motion but that is gone, never to return.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

As someone who enjoys Test Track ( and I can tell you when you watch from the corp lounge area - where you see the hill climb amongst other inside portions of the ride - you do see many cars moving at once and it is really pretty cool. I was a huge fan of WoM, and would like to have seen some of the character retained in TT, but overall if TT was the worst thing they built in the last 10 years, that would be a good thing.

Also , I know it is off the rack, but Primevil Whirl is just as you say - fun. And for the 'theme' of the carnival at the end of the world ( kinda like the new Jimmy Buffett song ) - it fits very well.
Now I do not want to see a lot more of that, but I am more than OK with that one, where it is