Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Also , I know it is off the rack, but Primevil Whirl is just as you say - fun.<< Hey, you know what VB, some think the Pooh Playground is fun. I guess that's a qualifier, eh? >>And for the 'theme' of the carnival at the end of the world ( kinda like the new Jimmy Buffett song ) - it fits very well. << I would disagree. It doesn't fit well within the framework of Animal Kingdom at large, the existing DinoLand, and within what Disney's most modest effort is capable of. Our Six Flags has the SAME exact coaster. Turn for turn. And I dare say the minimal themeing that went into the station far surpasses what Disney has done. Disney should be ashamed of this installation. Simply being "fun" was never enough to justify a Disney addition. And I would also add that Muholland Madness is even a better Disney installation of this type of exposed coaster.
Originally Posted By mousefun [Test Track is one of the only examples I can think of Disney building a very bad, though technologically impressive, attraction that is extremely popular despite its total, complete and utter blandness. ] Total shock. It's the only realy attraction at Epoct I and my family race to to get fast passes for. TT is a marvel of technological and creative genius. I do feel that you saying the Primevel Whirl is better says alot about the types of ride you like. [I took question with the acclaim you bestow on the attraction's creative juices.] Ok. You keep thinkin a roller coaster based on another roller coaster is more creative than a ride that is dreamnt up from scratch, based on nuttin! [While I enjoy TT, I have to say that I think your estimate of 50 cars moving at once might be a bit overoptimistic. As always, I could be wrong . . .] Tis true! [I have to agree, it's not the building at TT that is impressive, it's the part you don't even think about...the ride vehicle. Next time you go on it ask yourself who's driving this thing. It is very high tech and impressive. Leaving that out it is also kind of a fun ride. ] Ah! Someone gots some sense now! Wooohooo!
Originally Posted By mousefun [Hey, you know what VB, some think the Pooh Playground is fun. I guess that's a qualifier, eh?] Pooh Playground is, without a doubt, the worst use of space ever at a Disney theme park! It's the weakest play area for kids. Honey at MGM, Dino Area, even the DCA play area blow this away. Really sad that, Disney cheaped out and spent good cash on this lam-o area. Sad too, as Nemo Subs will prove to be a hit a Disenyland, and, how Disney could have used the gourgeous WDW sub lagoon area to there advantage for this ride.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<TT is a marvel of technological and creative genius.>> Here's my take: TT is a very technically creative attraction, but it is not so hot from a artistically creative standpoint. EE is the opposite (with the exceptions of the track switch and the Yeti); it is not particularly innovative technically, but the theming is pure Disney. Rides like ToT and Indy are closest to benchmark, IMO; they both have incredibly sophisticated ride systems and amazingly detailed set design.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Hey, you know what VB, some think the Pooh Playground is fun. I guess that's a qualifier, eh? < for the most part even those who most defend the Poo playground don't call it fun - and certainly not family fun in any sense as primevil Whirl is. usually the statement is ,' it's a place to blow off steam for the real little ones' - and in fact many who thought that they needed to wait and see it first, have since said, yeah, it's Poo alright !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I would disagree. It doesn't fit well within the framework of Animal Kingdom at large, the existing DinoLand, and within what Disney's most modest effort is capable of. < didn;t say it fit AK at large, but it certainly fits the Dinoland theme and story line, whether one likes the theme or not.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Pooh Playground is, without a doubt, the worst use of space ever at a Disney theme park! < Yeah Mousefun !!
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Pooh Playground is, without a doubt, the worst use of space ever at a Disney theme park! It's the weakest play area for kids. Honey at MGM, Dino Area, even the DCA play area blow this away. Really sad that, Disney cheaped out and spent good cash on this lam-o area. Sad too, as Nemo Subs will prove to be a hit a Disenyland, and, how Disney could have used the gourgeous WDW sub lagoon area to there advantage for this ride.<< Mousefun. That is something that I agree with you on 100%.. There's hope yet, I guess. I remember thinking how ironic it was that Nemo was going into Tomorrowland at DL the same time that WDW was filling in their lagoon in Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>for the most part even those who most defend the Poo playground don't call it fun - and certainly not family fun in any sense as primevil Whirl is.<< They certainly do. "Hey, if my 4yr old has fun, how is that bad?"
Originally Posted By ChiMike >> didn;t say it fit AK at large, but it certainly fits the Dinoland theme and story line, whether one likes the theme or not.<< No. It did not. That theme and storyline changed when they put it in. A route 66 tourist roadstop was not what was intended for the original Dinoland. Was it designed as a faux tourist center. Yeah, but not along some U.S. road.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Ok. You keep thinkin a roller coaster based on another roller coaster is more creative than a ride that is dreamnt up from scratch, based on nuttin!<< That's not why I would say Everest is creative. Just as I wouldn't say Splash Mountain is creative because they use a log flume that can be found at Knotts and Six Flags.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>- and certainly not family fun in any sense as primevil Whirl is.<< And it's hardly family fun when it has the highest height restriction in WDW, only shared with RnRC. Kids smaller can ride M:S, CTX, ToT, Everest, Space. When Six Flags has these kinds of rides the Disney nuts all love to point to the ride as one example why Disney is so much better. So then Disney goes and installs one in their park. And while it might be "fun" for older folks & their older kids. It doesn't do anything to help offset the thrills offered by Universal & Busch. The thrill seekers on non Disney sites often will cite CTX and now Everest, but not PW.
Originally Posted By mousefun [but the theming is pure Disney.] Yes! Non-moving bird on a stick...genius! [I remember thinking how ironic it was that Nemo was going into Tomorrowland at DL the same time that WDW was filling in their lagoon in Fantasyland.] Even without the subs running, the lagoon was a beautiful place. When the subs were running, I used to stand and stare at the marvel of this ride. Were the AA's that great? Not really. But, the idea that, here is a ride that is taking you deep into the sea, was fantastic. Closing 20K is one of Disney's biggest mistakes ever. Re-opening it in one form or another at Disneyland, a stroke of genius!
Originally Posted By mousefun "Hey, if my 4yr old has fun, how is that bad?" Four year olds have fun staring at a paper cup blowing in the wind. [That's not why I would say Everest is creative. Just as I wouldn't say Splash Mountain is creative because they use a log flume that can be found at Knotts and Six Flags.] And I do not think Splash is all that creative. Based on rides from 50 years ago. I challenge anyone to tell me what TT is based on? It is a pure work of magic imagined from nothing that pre-exsisted. Now, thats creative!
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Yes! Non-moving bird on a stick...genius!<< I'll be the first to give you that. >>Even without the subs running, the lagoon was a beautiful place. << Agree. At least better than what is there now. >>When the subs were running, I used to stand and stare at the marvel of this ride. << Hey! me too. A very under-rated presence in the park. And a very great design. >>Were the AA's that great? Not really.<< There were no AA's. Audio-Animatronics. Just as there are no AA's in the Jungle Cruise or Snow White. >>But, the idea that, here is a ride that is taking you deep into the sea, was fantastic. Closing 20K is one of Disney's biggest mistakes ever. Re-opening it in one form or another at Disneyland, a stroke of genius!<< It would have been interesting to see how MK could have brought new subs back to 20K for a Nemo ride. It would have fit better than a Tomorrowland installation. But the local management hated the ride in the late 80s, they hated it in the 90's when they over-emphasized the disrepair that they, themselves, caused, and they hated it years after it had already closed with their own guest relations CMs openly mocking it in front of guests.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Four year olds have fun staring at a paper cup blowing in the wind.<< Exactly.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>And I do not think Splash is all that creative. Based on rides from 50 years ago. I challenge anyone to tell me what TT is based on? It is a pure work of magic imagined from nothing that pre-exsisted. Now, thats creative!<< In my view, you're off the deep-end on this one buddy. If I find a vacant warehouse and put up some plywood trees, some metal highway signs, and some hazard cones am I now a creative genius. The ride system is "neat" but it was allowed to become way to expensive and until JTTCOE it's adoptions were plagued with problems. The ride system is unique and for TT, an original. The entire attraction, from the sounds, sights, queues, preshows, load, scenes, sets, to the overall theme of being at a real-world, contemporary GM testing site is not Disney's most creative product, imo.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <No. It did not. That theme and storyline changed when they put it in. A route 66 tourist roadstop was not what was intended for the original Dinoland. Was it designed as a faux tourist center. Yeah, but not along some U.S. road.< we also had 'plans' for Beastly Kingdom but it didnt happen either - the theme there is the only theme rolled out - so the previous plans don't play inthe theme as far as I can see
