Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "Not sure how the test portion should be plussed, but as it is now, it doesn't look like how I would imagine a real test track to be, which is the point of Imaginerring, isn't it?" Well I've driven a real Test Track facility here in the UK, and TT at Epcot nails it. It looks like the real thing. It may not be to everyone's taste, but I am impressed by it!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Some points after spending 10 minutes of my life that I won't get back at the end reading thru 40 some posts. Yes, I really enjoy PW simply as a ride more than TT. It's a fun little ride that succeeds on that basis. Whether it should be in a Disney park is another matter entirely. TT may be a technological marvel, but there is NO wow factor whatsoever from it. ToT and Indy are also technological marvels (as are AA extravaganzas like the American Adventure), but they also deliver in story, excitement and adventure. Like I've said a thousand times here, and will probably a million more, TT isn't as much fun as cruising down I-95 in a Mustang convertable. Technology in a vaccuum isn't all that. Nemo is fun. It should be very successful for Disney. But it isn't groundbreaking. But the technology that is employed in it helps develop/tell a story and, ultimately, that is why the attraction works.
Originally Posted By mousefun [Compare the queue and the overall theming of TT to EE. You're seriously telling me TT is better?] Yes. I found EE que generic and a bore. Nemo que one of Epcots best, actually. [>>The elephants. They are AA's. The move and make sounds.<< Again. Wrong. Again. You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own set of facts.] Wow, Mike! Great how you say I am wrong, yet, you do not back up WHY I am wrong. How about I PROVE you wrong with a link from our trusy Wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio-animatronic" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A udio-animatronic</a> BOOYA! [All three are based on the same basic system.] No sirreee! Not true! Have you ever been on Jounrey? I have. Very similar to Rocket Rods. Nowhere close to Test Track. [test track is garbage..the EMV technology was already introduced in the far superior Indiana Jones Adventure in Disneyland and the mediocre Countdown to Extinction at Animal Kingdom. The EMV-2 Technology that was debuted with test track was put to far better use in the THEMED and MAJESTIC attraction "Journey to the Center of the Earth" at Tokyo Disneysea.] Never have a seen a post so wrong on so many points! But, to each his own, tee hee! [Well I've driven a real Test Track facility here in the UK, and TT at Epcot nails it. It looks like the real thing. It may not be to everyone's taste, but I am impressed by it!] Finally, someone speaking sense! TT is, I feel, one of the top 5 great attractions on WDW property: Mansion, Pirates, Space...TEST TRACK! Number 4! Even better. Incidentally, are multi-million dollar LARGE IN SCOPE crap attractions suchs as the dreadful Energy and the snoozefest Spaceship Earth E tickets? Mike's logic, cause they are big and expensive, would certainly confirm this! [TT may be a technological marvel, but there is NO wow factor whatsoever from it. ToT and Indy are also technological marvels (as are AA extravaganzas like the American Adventure), but they also deliver in story, excitement and adventure. Like I've said a thousand times here, and will probably a million more, TT isn't as much fun as cruising down I-95 in a Mustang convertable. Technology in a vaccuum isn't all that.] Shameful! The slow build up of TT, the touring of a power plant, culminating to the most exciting finish to a Dinsey attraction ever puts TT in the Top 4 BEST Disney attractions ever!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<[Compare the queue and the overall theming of TT to EE. You're seriously telling me TT is better?] Yes. I found EE que generic and a bore. Nemo que one of Epcots best, actually.>> Nemo aside, since I haven't seen it, how is Everest's queue generic compared to TT? <<How about I PROVE you wrong with a link from our trusy Wikipedia>> Wkipedia is far from trustworthy, and in this case, it is flat out wrong. If indeed the JC has had AA's all along, why does Disney always say that the Tiki Room was first? <<Have you ever been on Jounrey? I have. Very similar to Rocket Rods. Nowhere close to Test Track.> I have. JTTCOTE was built with the SAME ride system as TT. This is common knowledge among Disney Nerds except you. <<The slow build up of TT, the touring of a power plant, culminating to the most exciting finish to a Dinsey attraction ever puts TT in the Top 4 BEST Disney attractions ever!>> You are welcome to you opinion, but it is not shared by the general public. Look at attraction ratings, and you see that there are many that people feel are better than TT. Here is one site with ratings: <a href="http://www.themeparkinsider.com/reviews/" target="_blank">http://www.themeparkinsider.co m/reviews/</a> You can even look at the ratings here on LP; they say the same thing.
Originally Posted By mousefun [Nemo aside, since I haven't seen it, how is Everest's queue generic compared to TT? ] EE, you walk through a standard que, nothing special, no lighting, just props from an exhibition. There is no buzz, no music, just pretty standard fare. [Wkipedia is far from trustworthy, and in this case, it is flat out wrong. If indeed the JC has had AA's all along, why does Disney always say that the Tiki Room was first?] Um, Jungle Cruise Elephants have been upgraded at least 6 times since the attaction opened in 1955. Re Wikipedia, extremely trustworthy. Though, since you did not PROVE the elephonats are NOT AA's, how bout you simple use google and search for Audio-animatronics...oh, I did it for you!: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Audio-animatronic&btnG=Google+Search" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?h l=en&q=Audio-animatronic&btnG=Google+Search</a> [I have. JTTCOTE was built with the SAME ride system as TT. This is common knowledge among Disney Nerds except you.] Really? Instead of just SAYING this, provide us with evidence! The link above proves nothing...this is ONE person ranking the rides the ways he sees them. And, that list NOT including Haunted Mansion or Pirates, says alot about the poster!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Um, Jungle Cruise Elephants have been upgraded at least 6 times since the attaction opened in 1955.>> Um, but the JC was not considered an AA attraction for many years. <<Re Wikipedia, extremely trustworthy.>> As you might say: "Really? Instead of just SAYING this, provide us with evidence!" <<The link above proves nothing...this is ONE person ranking the rides the ways he sees them. And, that list NOT including Haunted Mansion or Pirates, says alot about the poster!>> You obviously did not look at the ratings on that site. Here is the direct link for READER reviews for TT (105 reviews): <a href="http://www.themeparkinsider.com/reviews/epcot/test_track/" target="_blank">http://www.themeparkinsider.co m/reviews/epcot/test_track/</a> Here is the one for EE (42 reviews): <a href="http://www.themeparkinsider.com/reviews/epcot/test_track/" target="_blank">http://www.themeparkinsider.co m/reviews/epcot/test_track/</a> Here is the one for ToT (142 reviews): <a href="http://www.themeparkinsider.com/reviews/disney-mgm_studios/twilight_zone_tower_of_terror/" target="_blank">http://www.themeparkinsider.co m/reviews/disney-mgm_studios/twilight_zone_tower_of_terror/</a>
Originally Posted By mousefun Cool! Thanks for the reviews of TT! Here are what some are saying!: This was our favorite ride! Fast Pass is a must! We had a great time right from when we got in line and saw all the car parts, machines, etc. My son loved the crash test dummies. The GM showroom and the giftshop were also HUGE hits - both my boys love cars! - Connor Andrews This is one of my favorite Disney rides! I loved how it combines a dark ride and a roller coaster. - David Kirby
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Here is a scathing review of TT by a Pixar story artist, along with many responses, mostly negative: <a href="http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/2006/04/its-fun-to-be-freeway.html" target="_blank">http://imagineerebirth.blogspo t.com/2006/04/its-fun-to-be-freeway.html</a> He reviews EE too; points out its problems but overall is quite positive: <a href="http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/2006/05/attention-must-be-paid.html" target="_blank">http://imagineerebirth.blogspo t.com/2006/05/attention-must-be-paid.html</a>
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Here are what some are saying>> You can pick and choose some positive reviews, but that doesn't change the FACT that fewer people enjoy it.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Regarding proof that JTTCOTE is based on TT, it is even written in the script for the Undiscovered Future World Tour at Epcot: <a href="http://www.enchanter.net/writs/disneytour2.html" target="_blank">http://www.enchanter.net/writs /disneytour2.html</a> "Test Track is known as a 'prototype ride.' That is, it's new technology, there's no other ride like it at the Disney parks, so if anything goes wrong it's up to the people here to figure out solutions. But now it has a sister attraction, Journey To The Center Of The Earth at Tokyo Disneyland, so they can ask our people here if they have any problems."
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I totally agree with you Russ. I do not think TT is as popular as ToT, EE or even PotC. But I do really like it! I thought everyone loved motor vehicles, but I learnt when Pixar's Cars was released, that no, not everybody does. To me TT is a motor Vehicle Listen to the Land. If you remove the AA scenes at the beginning of the attraction - all you have left is a boat ride through green houses. Not everyone's cup of tea. But it is informative and many enjoy it. There is little fantasy about the attraction, but it is still an E ticket. TT is similar. It is informative and many enjoy it. There is little fantasy about the attraction, but it is still an E ticket. Personally, I get a thrill out of the fact that we are in a car that is controlled by a computer and drives us at speed. To me this is super cool! I also love the break tests. I worked in my uncle's garage as a kid (specialist in classic car restoration), and the ride and smell of it takes me back. True, I wish we had WoM and TT. But I do like TT and it's high up in my list of things to do. But I prefer AA, SE, HM, CoP etc. Because audio animatronics are the epitomy of a Disney park experience. That's where WDSP falls down.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo It's just a shame PotC in Fla is the suckiest version anywhere (still better than HKDL though ;-)
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I think TT is a good ride as well, and an E-ticket in thrills. But no way is it Disney's best effort.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Nope, but I think it's up there. I really want to try JTTCOTE to see how well it meshes with story. Or if this Cars attraction flies at DCA, that could prove very interesting.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Yes. I found EE que generic and a bore.< mousefun, this one statement, above and beyond anything else you've said, indicates that you and I are on completely different pages. I never say that someone else is wrong when it's a matter of personal preference. But I don't think we're going to come to too many meetings of the minds.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Wikipedia, extremely trustworthy.< Wikipedia is a spectacularly untrustworthy source. It's an encyclopedia done by us - just folks. Anyone can contribute, and your "facts" can be completely off base and you'll still get posted. And I agree - the figures in the Jungle Cruise for the most part are not AA's - they are simple repeating mechanical figures with no advanced computer control.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Shameful! The slow build up of TT, the touring of a power plant, culminating to the most exciting finish to a Dinsey attraction ever puts TT in the Top 4 BEST Disney attractions ever! >> Really? Wow. That's impressive. Look, it's either your opinion (and that's kewl) or you're just here to stir things up until you get bored (and that's OK too). But I would guess that even the TT fans here wouldn't say it's one of the top 4 Disney attractions ever. Better than Splash Mountain? Indy? ToT? KS? AA? GMR? CoP? ... again, you're entitled to have bad taste in attractions.
Originally Posted By mousefun [Here is a scathing review of TT by a Pixar story artist, along with many responses, mostly negative:] Great! From a Pixar artist! Ill give it more credence than a regular park guest. Not. [You can pick and choose some positive reviews, but that doesn't change the FACT that fewer people enjoy it.] Boy. Sure like to see proof of this. Havnt seen it yet. Keep trying tho! Tee, hee! [Regarding proof that JTTCOTE is based on TT, it is even written in the script for the Undiscovered Future World Tour at Epcot:] With all due respekt, trekky, that link you sent me looks a it links up to a pgae your wrote yourself and posted. Please, do show us something more official and credibly doucumented. TT nothing like Jounrey....completely different technology. [It's just a shame PotC in Fla is the suckiest version anywhere (still better than HKDL though ;-)] Ditto that! I just rode MK WDW POTC after riding the new Disneyland POTC, and, I must say, the WDW officially sucks toes! [>Yes. I found EE que generic and a bore.<] Really? Hmmm. Ill challenge you then on the greatest que lines of all times, and you can tell me if I dont know a thing or 2 about ques: a) Indy Jones, Disneyland, best ever. b) Space Mountain, WDW...amazing. c) Fire and Ice Roller Coaster, IOA. Give Disney ques a run for their money. d) ET Adventure, Universal...ride stinks, que is wonderful! e) JTTCOTE - fantastic. i feel like I am delving deep into the earths core. Funny. I felt zero urge to put in EE. Just a generic que with no texture, no detail, just an old props werehouse for ancient artificats. Zzzzzzzz.... [Wikipedia is a spectacularly untrustworthy source. It's an encyclopedia done by us - just folks. Anyone can contribute, and your "facts" can be completely off base and you'll still get posted. ] Hey, Dan! Instead of simply it's simply UNTRUSTWORTH, why not justify this. Show us proof how it's not trustworthy. ALSO, Wikipedia is not simply enter and run. Admin on their end verifies the information before posted. So, please check your information before opening up a conversation, puh-lease, tee-hee. [Really? Wow. That's impressive.] Thanks, Spirit! I thought it was impressive too!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss It's readily apparent you aren't willing to give up your postion. eevn when the overwhelming evidence is against you. I have no problem with you enjoying TT, but to continue to claim it's top four when everyone else seems to say otherwise is a weak argument. Then to say I am making stuff up? Give me a break!
Originally Posted By danyoung >Show us proof how it's [Wikipedia] not trustworthy.< OK, how bout your fact about the Jungle Cruise using AA's, when every Disney fan who knows its history knows that the JC animals are not AA? (I know, we're kinda into circular logic here. . .) And here's a statement from Wikipedia's help page, talking about people making contributions: 'A lot of people get started on Wikipedia because they are reading an article and say to themselves, "That isn't right."' All I can add to that is my own experience and what I've heard from others, which is to take anything on Wikipedia with a grain of salt. >So, please check your information before opening up a conversation, puh-lease, tee-hee.< Even with the tee-hee, we're getting into a kind of snotty area now, and no one likes that. I'm happy to continue to discuss this and other subjects. But keep it cool, huh?
