Originally Posted By trekkeruss ^^Bob Gurr is not just any Imagineer, either. He's the guy that designed the original JC animations. So if he says they were not AA's, I don't see how there could be a more definitive answer.
Originally Posted By mousefun [Here's an old LP Designer Times column by Disney Legend Bob Gurr; he clearly says that the first Disneyland animations were not AA's: <a href="http://www.laughingplace.com/N" target="_blank">http://www.laughingplace.com/N</a> ews-ID108065.asp] Clear what? He never ONCE said that they were NOT AA's. He used the endearing term, "First REAL AA's" for Tikis, to eccentuate that the Tiki's were more involved AA's than Jungle Cruise characters (and, by watching the boring Tikis, I actually beg to differ on this!) Good try though Trekky.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I asked you for an IMAGINEER! This is a guy who wrote a book. We are still waiting for an imagineer.>> Eddie Soto did not write the book, Bob Gurr did. Checkmate.
Originally Posted By mousefun [Bob Gurr is not just any Imagineer, either. He's the guy that designed the original JC animations. So if he says they were not AA's, I don't see how there could be a more definitive answer.] Please. Do show me EXACTLY where he says that the Jungle Cruise AA's are not AA's? I'll wait...tap...tap...tap...
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<He used the endearing term, "First REAL AA's" for Tikis, to eccentuate that the Tiki's were more involved AA's than Jungle Cruise characters>> You're reading comprehension is lacking. He is saying the first figures were NOT AA's. Do you even know what the AUDIO in AA's refers to? what AUDIO mechanism was used in those JC figures? NONE! Because they were not AA'S!
Originally Posted By mousefun [You're reading comprehension is lacking. He is saying the first figures were NOT AA's.] You are kidding me, correct? Wow. Talk about forcing a square peg into a round hole! Come on, now TREKKY. I have shown you CLEAR evidence of an imagineer saying that Jungle Cruise uses AA's. Please, show us CLEAR evidence of an imagineer saying that they are not AA's in JC. Cant do it, as, they are clearly AA's! They have audio (sounds of elephants) and are animate. Plain and simple. Yikes.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss "These were the years we progressed from simple timing cam motorized and air cylinder mechanisms to the first real Audio Animatronics. We progressed from the Jungle Cruise wiggling hippo ears to a theater filled with hundreds of singing birds we called “Bird Cafeâ€......The Enchanted Tiki Room of 1963." It doesn't get any clearer than that. You lose. Tee Hee.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Just for added measure, name ONE source that says the JC was the first AA attraction ever. You can't, because it wasn't. You lose again. Tee Hee!
Originally Posted By mousefun ["These were the years we progressed from simple timing cam motorized and air cylinder mechanisms to the first real Audio Animatronics. ] Once again, he never said that JC AA's were not AA's. Losah! And, this was NEVER about JC being the first AA's - this was about JC BEING AA's. Talk about reading MIS-Comprehension! Tee-hee! Losah!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Once again, he never said that JC AA's were not AA's>> He said they were "simple timing cam motorized and air cylinder mechanisms." In other words, no audio controlled the mechanisms within those animations. They were NOT AA's. Animatronics? Yes. But not Audio-Animatronics. You are wrong, just like you were wrong about the Beatles not winning a Grammy.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ok,I don't even know why I am weighing in on such a nerdy conversation (but being a Disney nerd, it's an illness I suppose). The JC use mechanical figures, they are engineered to use mechanical parts to repeat a behaviour. The design is mechnaical hench they are not truly AAs. The Tiki Birds onwards use/used an audio signal that was programmed for the pneumatics and hydrolics to respond and create movement. They are much more complex and often have a greater range of movements. Then the A100 came in with compliance, so they stop less rigidly and look more organic in their approach. To the untrained eye, they are all Animatronics. But it is from the Tiki Birds on that AA's came in. Although the JC has had refits, I believe all the figures are still animatronics and not AA's. And while I have a lot of time for Eddie, he did a great job designing Main Street at DLP after all, he is not an AA expert. Whereas Bob is a legend and I would find him to be a better source on this one. But this is really an inane arguement guys.
Originally Posted By danyoung I knew my brothers wouldn't let me down! It's taken me a while to put my finger on it, but I finally realized the type of person mousefun is. Anyone remember the old SNL sketch with the Minkmen brothers, the owners of a novelty gag factory? One part of it featured Martin Short as a crooked executive being interview by Mike Wallace. The Short character was sweating, smoking, totally defensive and not realizing it - "I'm not being defensive - YOU'RE being defensive. It's not me, it's him, right? RIGHT? Geez, this guy . . ." Abuse in an effort to redirect the obvious fact that he was completely wrong, completely outmatched, and all he could do was resort to names and inuendo. Very very sad. And just to keep the discussion rolling - >Do show me EXACTLY where he says that the Jungle Cruise AA's are not AA's? I'll wait...tap...tap...tap...< You seem to be reading challenged, so I'll give you another opportunity, from Bob Gurr, the original inventor of most of the AA technology: "These were the years we progressed from simple timing cam motorized and air cylinder mechanisms to the first real Audio Animatronics. We progressed from the Jungle Cruise wiggling hippo ears to a theater filled with hundreds of singing birds we called “Bird Cafeâ€......The Enchanted Tiki Room of 1963." Simple sentence construction indicates that the Jungle Cruise featured "simple timing cam motorized and air cylinder mechanisms", while the Tiki Room was the first use of AA's. It's also possible from other reading that I've posted that officially the Mine Train had the first AA's in 1961. The important point is that it's clear the Jungle Cruise did NOT use AA's, in the strictest use of the term. As to you and your strange style, I try to leave, and you say: >Typlical to those who are painted in a corner, tee-hee-hee < So I foolishly take the bait and remain in, and you say: >Wow! You just dont know when to quit, do ya?< There's no winning with you, just as you won't be convinced by the overwhelming evidence. And I haven't heard anything more about Wikipedia since you were proved wrong. Wassup with that? Guess you've lost this one again. Too bad you're not a better debater - TEE HEE!
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I knew my brothers wouldn't let me down!<< You can always count on your sisters too (like me) Danno, since I can pull daggers off backs as much as I can put them in there too.
Originally Posted By danyoung I thank you, most sincerely, for your unexpected support. Oh, and you can call me Dannyboy if you want!!!
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Nope. I like Danno better. Reminds me of a former boyfriend who I detest with a passion.
Originally Posted By MPierce I'm worn out just from reading all of this. I certainly am glad I am not smart enough to join in on all of the fun. They had bloodless Bull Fights here in Houston, back in 1966, and this sure was a whole lot more entertaining than that. Thanks everyone for brighting up my day!
Originally Posted By Skellington88 The original Jungle Cruise had 1 animatronic figure I belive which was a dancing native. I remember reading how just before Disneyland was scheduled to open Walt became aware of moveable figures and quickly had two very crude figures put in the park. One in jungle cruise and I forget where the other went.
