Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub A window is a means of egress in an emergency but I would not recommend it if the airplane is moving.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Just being silly but I plan to take a copy of the definition and legal documents of egress law provided by KT on my next trip to verify I am safe and legally egressing at all times.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 I guess it comes down to, is the COP a building, a ride vehicle or both? I may want to get out of the monorail as we pass over the car park because I can see my car below but it would be very unwise of me to try and squeeze out of a window. I don't blame CMs one iota when dealing with these idiots all day. The poor CMs are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If a departing idiot guest were to be injured by their own stupid actions, they'd be the first to get their lawyer on speed dial. I swear Mama Fratelli was only partly right. "People suck".
Originally Posted By jkayjs 21 minutes of your life is all it takes to experience this attraction...I've seen people wait longer to get Starbucks...just sayin'!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom CoP is a theater. As such it is subject to the fire codes and legislation pertaining to theaters. I'm not saying quests "should" be leaving the CoP while a show is in progress. I'm saying they have the legal right to leave. No Disney employee has the authority or right to prevent a quest from vacating the CoP while a show is in progress. There can be circumstances when a person feels the need to leave CoP, for example the need to go to the bathroom since those facilities are not available in any CoP theater. Yes, it is rude to leave the CoP while a show is in progress. But I would hope our castmembers would be a bit more empathetic to the needs of the GUEST. Not to mention the laws of the land pertaining to theaters in general. Geez Louise.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost In this case no one was prevented from leaving. In fact, they were going out like it was on fire. What the CM was repeatedly trying to convay was that it was 1) unsafe to do so and 2) as long as they continued to stand or "egress" the show could not continue therefore depriving those that wanted to see the show from seeing it. Where were these peoples parents when they were growing up. Having freedom does not mean that no other rules of social behavior apply. They had the freedom to not get on the ride to begin with...leave in a dangerous place, depriving others of their rights is just plan not acceptable and it has nothing to do with freedom. It's the right thing to NOT do. Why must the village constantly tolerate the idiots?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom And we're not talking about windows. We are talking about "posted" exits that are the ONLY means of entrance or exit from the CoP theaters. If guests believe they need to exit a CoP theater (for whatever reason and there ARE some legitimate reasons) then that is their only option. In that video clip I don't see castmembers or Disney security on the other side of the CoP doors waiting to escort infractors "off property". Obviously Disney's legal liability is being met by giving stern verbal warnings. The CoP is not a prison. And castmembers don't have the authority from preventing a guest from leaving a CoP theater. There are other revolving rooms on property (Garden Grill in the Land Pavallion). So to behave as if exiting the CoP is as perilious as jumping from a speeding monorail 30 feet above the ground is a bit ingenious.
Originally Posted By juicer When guests leave the COP theater during its cycle - what negative thing could happen to them?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Real simple; does any Disney employee have the authority to prevent guests from exiting CoP?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>When guests leave the COP theater during its cycle - what negative thing could happen to them?<<< I, for one, would love to pop them one. Other then that not much. Can't wait til mob rule returns to our society.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Too answer that question seriously...probably nothing as long as the ride has stopped for a scene. If it is moving (and you know it's only a matter of time before someone attempts it) I can think of numerous things that can cause them harm...the damn building is moving! That is what killed the CM in DL.
Originally Posted By juicer As I remember the CM at Disneyland was killed - because there wasnt the breakaway doors near the theater stage and she was standing in the wrong place. But when the guests leave the theater through the exit doors - there should be no real harm - unless there are support pillars outside the exit doors? Mind you I am not condoning guests leaving the theater during its show cycle! I am just wondering what real harm can that can happen to them.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I'm sorry, I can't give a pass to the idiots who got up- level of maintenance on CoP or not. So if they're on a super coaster at Great America and they see chipped paint on the cars - the can get up in the middle of the ride ? Separate discussions-- there is no excuse for stupid
Originally Posted By vbdad55 riding on a city bus and it has not been swept out in a year- pull open the rear door while in motion and exit ?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>But when the guests leave the theater through the exit doors - there should be no real harm - unless there are support pillars outside the exit doors?<<< There are support walls outside the exit doors that run perpendicular to the revolving building. Kinda like scissors!
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I don't understand what was happening here. Why were so many people leaving? Were the curtains not openeing? We saw this attraction last year and loved it, so I for one hope it doesn't close down.
Originally Posted By gardenrooms I am guessing what happened here is what happened to us a few years ago. There was a very heavy rainstorm while we were on the CoP and even though the ride was over (for our theater) and stopped, they asked us to stay in the theater - did not want us to unload during the heavy rain - we were never told why. Well, after at least 10 minutes of nothing except hearing the theme song over - and over - and over - and after everyone else in our theater had left already and as we had gotten no indication of how long they planned to wait - we left too. The theater had not been rotating this entire time.
Originally Posted By leobloom I suspect people in the other theaters were getting up and leaving in the middle of the show, which can prevent the carousel from rotating and cause the scenes to replay. It appears people in the video have sat through the opening scene a couple of times and are bailing on the show. So a chain reaction that begins when guests leave during the show, which causes more guests to leave because they don't want to see the same scene over and over again. And then guests in the loading theater get up and leave. All of which points to the inability of the typical WDW tourist to follow instructions, even when it's in their best interest. I know the CM who is imploring the guests to remain seated. I've got no problem with how he handled the situation.
Originally Posted By leobloom Unlikely that the show was not cycling because of a rainstorm. It's because inconsiderate guests get up and leave midway through the show. It's happened several times when I've been there. It's annoying for the guests who follow the instructions and watch the same scene play two or three times in a row.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: My sisters and I become annoyed whenever crowds of guests get up to leave towards the end of Fantasmic. That just seems to cause all the magic of the moment to evaporate right before our eyes and ruins the whole experience for us.
