Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire Yea...if i saw a pic with a lap bar dysfuntioning as it is being claimed, i think i may just explode *rolls eyes*
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I don't agree that the OP refuses to provide photos-- merely that she has so far not done so.>> It's possible the OP doesn't have the means at hand to post pics also. Not everyone has a digital camera, or a scanner.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd Then why not say that? All her posts have left us with nothing but speculation about what happened, what her motivation is and why she will not or can not provide the proof she stated she had in the first post. Though it has filled up over 160 posts, it really hasn't gotten anyone anywhere other then insults flung at Disney fans on a Disney fan site.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Having worked in the Parks one of the parts that I find doubtful about the story is that the Guest in question was severly injured yet not only was he not assessed at Animal Kingdom but it sounds like he's claiming that no one has contacted him regarding his injuries. At Disneyland the Health Services CM's provide care on site as well as contacting paramedics if necessary. Transportation to the closest medical center will also be provided upon request even if an ambulance isn't called. Every situation is documented to the hilt, even calls for Guests feeling faint. I find it difficult to believe that if he was severly injured and remains in pain that the Company won't contact him. I don't claim to know the truth in this particular situation, but from my experience an injury gets documented and followed up. In fact, legal usually gets a call at the time of the incident depending on the severity (not for a faint Guest obviously, but a serious injury occuring on property, Disney's fault or not).
Originally Posted By guineapig Response from Disney: Prefacing, despite the fact that we had to post under a new ID, does not in any way mean to compromise our integrity or sincerity. It was done for good reasons. We endured the slings and arrows ten-fold simply for that. Back on focus: After two weeks of patient attempts to get just one return call, Disney has responded -- with a little nudge from various news sources. Thank you particularly to Orlando Sentinel for your valuable assistance in these efforts. Here is the explanation offered by a Susan Shiver, who represented herself as Guest Services Manager: -- Pursuant to conversation with engineers, the lap bar is not a safety measure. It is not meant to be a safety restraint and has no function as a safety restraint. The lap bar is merely a deterrent to guests from exiting the ride vehicle when it makes stops within the attraction, for example, to switch tracks. There are no redundant safety features. There are no backup safety features. Nor are the ride cars signaled to halt if something goes wrong. -- They contend further that the mere inertia, the momentum of the ride is sufficient to keep riders inside the ride vehicle without a safety restraint. If an adult man has difficulty staying within the vehicle during motion without a restraint, how much more difficult might it be for a young teen or a small child of the size considered to be a safe rider by Disney to stay in the vehicle if the lap bar raises. Moreover, they state that, though it is “unlikely†a rider may be flung or fall out of the vehicle while in motion, it could happen. Remember - it opens this spring! Experience the thrill of Everest for yourselves! But if you do, make sure you or your child sit in the front seat and ride with the lap bar raised – then you will have a point of reference by which to make a meaningful contribution to these posts.
Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire If it was me in that situation, I would have demanded care until I got it, if injuries were as bad as theyre making it sound.
Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire <<Moreover, they state that, though it is “unlikely†a rider may be flung or fall out of the vehicle while in motion, it could happen.>> In Disney's response to your claim, they said that? And nothing about your own situation?
Originally Posted By disneynafrica The part about the lack of medical care suprised me too. When I worked a media event at DCA in 2003, I helped move a steel baracade and felt a small pop in my back. I didnt think it was anything, but I was wisked away to be checked and examined and every attempt to make sure I was comfortable was taken. It ended up being nothing serious except a pain in my back for a few days, but regardless, I had always found the response of Disney to even slight injuries to be right on target (and even a bit overboard in my case). $.02
Originally Posted By RoadTrip It’s too bad that you weren't on the ride so that you could give us a first-hand report. Did your husband scream like a girl? Did he wet himself? Inquiring minds want to know.
Originally Posted By 550Deano Disney is a big Company and takes any injury/death or possible injury very seriously...I work for the Fire Department at Disneyland and have witnessed many accidents and 1 death...Nurses, Paramedics, Fire Department, Security and many Managers respond like ants to such events...They try and quell any situation before it gets out of hand...
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<the lap bar is not a safety measure>> You are either deliberately manipulating or misunderstood what she said. It's obviously a safety device, designed to, as you or she said, act as a deterrent and keep people from exiting the cars when they shouldn't. <<They contend further that the mere inertia, the momentum of the ride is sufficient to keep riders inside the ride vehicle without a safety restraint.>> This could easily be proven. The question is, would you be willing to accept the result if it was shown to be true?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> What the Disney consumer should be DEMANDING is that Disney prove it didn't happen. << That's funny. How do you prove something like this DIDN'T happen? Show pictures of lapbars properly down and locked?
Originally Posted By DVC_dad This is the first somewhat lengthy thread that I actually stopped and read each and every post. What a fun topic. Lotta stupid posts on this one, THIS POST itself being the "stupidest" as it has no point! Gee I hope my lapbar stays down. The original post will certianly serve to enhance MY thrill as I ride for the first time!!! Awesome !!!
Originally Posted By DVC_dad In Michael Eisner's book Work in Progress he tells of him and one of his sons riding Splash Mtn before it was opened just to see how it was coming along. He claims that he was very nearly beheaded as they came down the large drop due to a board of lumber being susupended across the drop evidently left there by the painter. I guess if it can happen to Michael it could happen to anyone.
Originally Posted By beamerdog Curious, guineapig, now that Disney has responded and you've also posted about the experience here, where will you be going with this? Has your husband needed treatment? BTW, my DH is an attorney (most of you here know that) and he always advises his clients to *never* speak about their cases (any kind of case), even to good friends or relatives. That, of course would include the internet community. So I assume that you're not going the "legal" route? I agree with previous posters that cm's, on seeing any kind of medical distress of a guest, will go way way out of their way to encourage the person to seek medical treatment. I was just limping a little in MK one time and a cm came out of nowhere with a wheelchair for me. I'm surprised that you didn't get the name of the cm if you were unhappy with him/her. I think that anyone with half a brain knows that there is a small probability that an accident can happen on any amusement ride, especially the mountains. Kinda like going to a baseball game and having a bat sail accross the seats and bop you on the head. I've seen it happen. Not fun, but it's a reality.
Originally Posted By guineapig We are and have been Disney fans for generations. We have had privilege to dine with the Mouseketeers, converse with Disney family and legends, and much more. But this is not the time for proving Disney loyalty. We did not post just to go about insulting a Disney fan base, unlike the deliberate treatment we received by many. If someone feels they were insulted, then perhaps the justification of that is in your own postings. Our initial post was to warn the very people who would be most affected, should be most concerned and have the most clout -- Disney fans. This being very emotional, I failed at onset to simply come right out and ask for specific help initially, which resulted in an onslaught of misunderstandings and our being bombarded with insults from this Disney forum that has brought more attention than the forum realizes now. Advice precluded posting photographs. I have not had an abundance of time to review every post or respond individually, and I am unable to spend time defending any mis-perceived motives and just cannot respond to all the attacks. However, we still feel it important to keep everyone aware that this is not a ride considered by even Disney to have safety features. We were and are trying to get answers and valuable information because Disney fans are the only people who can make the changes necessary. As a stockholder, every year I vote against the board in order to implement improved ride safety checks and procedures. I always I felt like I was betraying Disney. I don't feel that way anymore.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<As a stockholder, every year I vote against the board in order to implement improved ride safety checks and procedures.>> LOL
