Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I'm sure there are people in this country that are disappointed they weren't right wing. Likewise there are probably a lot who will say I told you so with them being Muslim
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Chechen separatists have used terror bombings before, but always AFAIK over there. I have no idea what they think they could accomplish by doing something like that here.<< Agreed, their beef is with Moscow. I wonder if there is more here than meets the eye?
Originally Posted By planodisney Can someone please fill me in on who the suspect is that was actually taken in alive last night. I wake up this morning and they are saying 1 suspect killed and the other on the run, but i saw them take a suspect into custody naked last night. They showed the footage over and over again. What happened to that guy? Anyone else see that or am I even crazier than I thought?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 That is weird. I didn't see that last night, but in the link SPP provided, the naked man was included, as of about 45 minutes ago. It was very confusing - I couldn't tell from how the story was written if the naked man was the older brother, the guy who was carjacked, or yet another person. It then said the police let the naked guy go, so it couldn't have been the older brother, and apparently the carjacked guy was let go BY the brothers before they encountered police. So it would seem to be a third guy, but I have no idea who he is or why the police considered him a suspect and made him strip naked. Clicking on the same link just now, the copy is different, and the naked man is not in the story.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I was up until the wee hours watching this whole thing unfold. One shocking moment after another. The naked guy they apparently let go after questioning on the scene.
Originally Posted By ecdc Why on earth are people talking about these guys as if we have a clue to their motives? That may or may not come out. They are Chechen but have lived in the U.S. since 2002-2003 timeframe. They liked pages on Facebook for Islam and said they were Muslim. That's ALL we know about them, so it's totally irrational to jump to the conclusion that this is about one or both of those identities. It may have something to do with it; the point is, we don't know. For all we know they hate running. For all we know the ARE right-wingers celebrating the anniversary of Waco and the McVeigh bombing. For all we know they are far left-wingers pissed about guns or convinced Bush caused 9/11.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer We do have clues to their motives. Left wing and right wing domestic zealots don't tend to post Al Qaeda videos on their Youtube channel or their Russian language social media site.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Left wing and right wing domestic zealots don't tend to post Al Qaeda videos on their Youtube channel or their Russian language social media site.> +1
Originally Posted By ecdc As I said, that may have something to do with it. The idea of guessing someone's motives from a social media site seems mighty dubious to me. I suppose if my uncle is arrested, I'll know it's because he was outraged had to press 1 for English when calling FarmVille tech support.
Originally Posted By hopemax The naked guy, was just someone who was unlucky enough to be out in Watertown when the incidents were going down. The police had him undress because they were very concerned with the suspects having explosives on their person (which seems to be the case with suspect #1) and they were worried about unknown accomplices. He was taken into custody, but cleared pretty quickly.
Originally Posted By velo I haven't heard of any Al Qaeda links - only links to Islamic sites (you can be Muslim and not in Al Qaeda).
Originally Posted By ecdc I think their uncle has the best motivation for their action: They're losers.
Originally Posted By planodisney Yes please, everyone, don't take what facts we DO have and use your OWN common sense to come to logical conclusions. We all just need to settle in and wait for Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Chris Hayes and the various Internet blogs we trust to tell us what and HOW to think about this.
Originally Posted By planodisney That last post wasn't intended for liberals, but for those who can't even put logic in from of being PC. I just wanted to make sure This wasn't taken as a jab at ALL liberals on here. Genuinely didn't intend it that way.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Left wing and right wing domestic zealots don't tend to post Al Qaeda videos on their Youtube channel<< Two days ago, Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" posted large page photos of Al Queda pressure cooker bomb-making instructions -- in English. Yahoo picked that up and ran it on their page. I haven't heard many people outraged about that -- except in the comments section below those articles. So who knows how many zealots were introduced into the specifics of bomb making via those outlets. Let's just wait and see what we learn.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>what facts we DO have and use your OWN common sense to come to logical conclusions<< Yes, do that. And then stop right there, and don't allow any other facts to enter because you've got it all figured out already.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Right? Someone watches Law & Order and thinks they're a master detective based on a sprinkling of facts during a still developing, fluid story.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<We all just need to settle in and wait for Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Chris Hayes and the various Internet blogs we trust to tell us what and HOW to think about this.>> <<Two days ago, Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" posted large page photos of Al Queda pressure cooker bomb-making instructions -- in English. Yahoo picked that up and ran it on their page.>> Slamming MSNBC pundits in light of what Beck did is transparently biased. When you start taking shots against the BS behavior of the conservative pundits like Beck and Limbaugh, then perhaps I'll actually consider your posts as having some merit, plano. But until you can equally criticize everyone in the media, and not just those who are progressive, you'll continue to be nothing but a troll.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Motivations may or may not come out in the days to come. There's really not much to be gained in guessing at this point. It's okay to speculate on a forum like this, but with the understanding that it IS all just speculation at this point. For one thing, the past couple of days should tell us that initial media reports aren't always accurate. For another, one of the two is dead and the other is still at large. The danger in speculation is that an inaccurate picture can emerge that calcifies, based on incorrect or incomplete information.
