Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan All the "pc" people here (myself included I guess) are saying is let's wait and let actual facts be revealed before we start announcing we have it all figured out. I don't know what's politically-correct about that, seems a pretty basic premise to me to gather more facts before jumping to conclusions.
Originally Posted By hopemax > I think their uncle has the best motivation for their action: They're losers. < I've been recovering from a cold, and I was obviously up late following, up early following, and then I took at nap. I woke up to hear the interview (I have the stream from WCVB on) in time to hear that comment. I posted earlier about worrying what the reaction was going to be. Mainly, because I don't think this is going to be radical Islam like we're used to. They will probably find out they had made some connections with some terrorist group. And I wouldn't be surprised if they find accomplices who are radical Islam like we're used to. And people will be all, "radical Muslims." But this still has a bit of a feeling of punk kids ala Columbine who went down the "bad path" closest to them. If their heritage was different, the "bad path" would have looked different, maybe a gang, surpremisist group, etc...is this making any sense? But I admit that probably has a lot to do with preconceptions regarding attacks usually being suicide attacks, and these guys jihad didn't seem to include suicide. And they came to the US while they were kids, not people who grew up somewhere hating America, being indoctrinated and sent to the US to do something. Like I said, those are my preconceptions, so I'm not going to fight too hard one way or another. I'm just not ready to draw the line that we have another "radical Islam" problem or a "punk kids whose "acting out" of choice was radical Islam." Obviously, both are a problem, but perhaps I am going that way because a "punk kids" problem seems more solvable (but only barely).
Originally Posted By skinnerbox My perception so far from what we know about the younger brother still at large, is that these two are/were more akin to Timothy McVeigh in their dissatisfaction with America than the 19 Arabs on 9/11. I don't see this as an anti-American Muslim sentiment as much as I see an anti-American American sentiment in the vein of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer But their apparent self-identification was as Muslims and Chechens, not as Americans. That puts them in a different place than Tim McVeigh or Randy Weaver, who thought themselves "real" Americans or "real" Christians locked in a struggle with the government. McVeigh and Weaver thought that they were protecting 'Murica, not fighting it. One of these two said in an interview some time back that he doesn't have any American friends because he doesn't understand them.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I saw that quote too and found it confusing Gawker posted plenty of pictures of him online with high school friends.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<One of these two said in an interview some time back that he doesn't have any American friends because he doesn't understand them.>> Are you sure that wasn't the much older now deceased brother? The younger brother, as Hans pointed out, was well liked in school and a member of the soccer team. He seemed to fit in with American society quite well. As more details emerge about these two, I strongly suspect the much older brother was the originator of this plan, which his younger brother was unfortunately roped into. I don't see the younger brother harboring enormous hatred for America, given his success both academically and socially since coming here at the age of 8.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer If the little brother was an unwilling accomplice he can turn himself in and save his life.
Originally Posted By da_tick Whoa, reporters are saying the younger brother ran over his own (older)brother to bust through the police barracade to escape.
Originally Posted By ecdc Ouch. Just when you thought CNN couldn't sink any lower: Tweet: @Anncoulter: If you're just waking up, CNN has by far the best coverage.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Now their aunt has chimed in: <a href="http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/bomber-suspects-aunt-i-am-suspicious-it-was-staged" target="_blank">http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/...s-staged</a> Hmmm....
Originally Posted By hopemax I don't really think much of it. I think it's hard for anyone to believe family members could do something like this. Add in what she says, she grew up in Soviet Union, as a Chechen, so she has great distrust and is used to being setup. She's shocked, grieving, media all around, when the dust settles we'll see what the family statements are then.
Originally Posted By da_tick I was listening to past & present friends tell of how normal both brothers seemed. I guess you just never know, It's almost like being in that Angelina Jolie movie SALT.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The father of the suspects is also saying that he believes that the men were "framed": <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/anzor-tsarnaev-boston-suspect-father_n_3115791.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...791.html</a>
Originally Posted By velo there have been reports that the older brother has a child; which would indicate a wife/partner - I'm wondering if they've located these people. They could possibly shed some light on the suspects thought processes.
Originally Posted By hopemax The next phase has begun. Police are converging on a specific house, with a person in a boat in a backyard. Shots fired, residents are being evacuated, warning that gas will be deployed. My husband was wondering if the restrictions were lifted to flush him out. Hopefully, this new activity means it's almost over.
Originally Posted By ecdc Speaking of journalism: On NBC: Brian Williams anchoring On CBS: Scott Pelley anchoring On ABC: Diane Sawyer anchoring On Fox: Bill O'Reilly anchoring
