Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Then I realize the folks monitoring these sites are very happy when they read the fans going in circles discussing the merits of FP instead of raising hell about the sheer incompetence that permeates the parks and resorts division of TWDC.<< I agree. And part of my argument is that the same bag of incompetents are bringing you FP.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Everything I've heard is that John's parks interest lies in Anaheim.<< Yep. Much easier to deal with a place you love. I think it has been pretty much agreed upon that John will focus on DL as Eisner did when he joined Disney. Makes sense.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>It's also a a pretty interesting indication that Lasseter has some fairly powerful authority, if he can come in and dictate uniforms. And that's a good sign!<< He has more authority than that, Al brings that example up because Al has a fetish for costuming.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Wow, lots of new points, and I have 45 minutes to kill before heading home and mixing a nice strong martini. So here goes, storm troopers<< I started mixing drinks 2 hours ago j/k. I'm not saying your wrong with your response. You are not. I just don't understand how you can agree to 4 or 5 points that I make which show how the system makes standby a worse circumstance than it was prior to FP, yet come out of it still with an idea that all is fair and right.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It's also a a pretty interesting indication that Lasseter has some fairly powerful authority, if he can come in and dictate uniforms. And that's a good sign!>> I agree. John stands for quality above all. Now, how he'll deal with all the corporate slime in Burbank and Glendale I'm not sure because he hasn't had to deal with that at Pixar. But I'm pretty confident. The silence you hear from certain Disney management apologists here speaks volumes.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Now, how he'll deal with all the corporate slime in Burbank and Glendale I'm not sure because he hasn't had to deal with that at Pixar.<< Oh, he did. More than ever. That whole Pixar relationship was dealing with Burbank scum or people who had no business suggesting items to Pixar. That's why he is going to handle himself so well now. He's not an idiot. He's not going to have to sTeP cArEfUlLy around the existing WDI employed failures as it was suggested here earlier.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I agree. And part of my argument is that the same bag of incompetents are bringing you FP. >> True. But FP is being slowly taken out of DL. And you'll see it disappear at WDW on attractions it had no business being on to start. DLP has it on very few attractions, I think I used it on Space Mountain and Peter Pan only. The pendulum is hopefully swinging back to a more reasonable approach to it. There's no reason why on a weekday in September where there are no lines longer 15-20 minutes, FP shouldn't be turned off park-wide. <<He has more authority than that, Al brings that example up because Al has a fetish for costuming.>> Probably. But after seeing the amazing, expensive, detailed costumes at DLP, the MK ones just look like mall-wear. And he's got a good point, more so in Olando, of managers working attractions and shops in regular clothes, not costumes. It's a very bad example of show not mattering.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Completely agree. The costuming situation at DL and WDW is out of control. Al is completely right about, I'm just pointing out it's a priority to him like I guess FP is to me!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And Mike, I know vbdad is going for drama with his points< agreed as simple facts and my opinion seemed to be discounted <but anymore than that with two six-year-olds can be difficult< another voice of reason -- but as put on another thread - that's the parents problem, not Disney's - I am sure you understand ( I don't)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <400 people line before FP has a SHORTER wait than a 400 people line after FP. So a standby wait with a FP attraction now moves slower AND takes longer. < Mike - agreed, but SOME of those previous pre FP waiters are now in the FP line -- if the capacity is 400/hr - its 400 per hour... if FP was gone and lets say 100 of the 400 from pre FP are now in the wait line- you now have 500 people where you had 400-- so the line moves the same...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The problem is that say that the line for Fourth of July 1997 at 8:32 PM for Splash Mountain would wait longer for Fourth of July 2004 at 8:32 PM if no one left or was added to that line. With FP people must wait LONGER with the same relative size crowd in standby. The people in standby have not changed, the time has.< but the TOTAL Queue waits exactly the same - as is the capacity of the ride. If you put the FP people back in the standby line- you just make that one longer...and a stand by's place in line will be further back because some former FP people are now ahead of him --
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>Hey Mike, I've been enjoying this. Thanks for the lively discussion! < <And I agree, a very pleasant discussion< Dan, make your way to the Chicago area and the three of us can work this out and send the solution to the Disney braintrust
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>Nothing to add just amused by the passion FP brews ... too bad folks weren't as passionate by thing affecting WDW of much more importance.<< Oh, you know me, I certainly am. It's just you don't get many who would argue that, yeah, it stinks that they have less custodial.< not as much fun to debate one we all agree on.... this type of discussion is what I come here for -- to get others opinions ( contrary to the opinion of one poster) - and debate the merits pro and con. Also contrary to statements, I can be had and swayed also, and have been on some subjects...it's the type of discourse that makes one think and apply knowledge as well as opinions to situations....
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <yet you don't see anyone discussing Meg Crofton or Ed Grier being elevated into positions they have no business being in and what that says about the games Jay Rasulo is playing to hold on to his job. < on the surface I agree that it appears bad, unfortunately I donot have enough knowledge of most of these people to really get on a bender... and I don't like piling on when I have little to add. I can tell you in my management career of 30 years, some of the best managers were not the best techinicians of what they managed...and one can be extremely successful managing an area on pure management skills than the halo effect of knowing 'all the right things' -- that being said, we are more passionate about our parks than most things, and I do believe it takes at least a fair level of hands on park experience to understand what the customer wants.....and it appears someof these promotions do not cover that, so am I worried-- yes. Do I know enough to wail on either person...I wish i did, but I do not possess that knowledge. make sense ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < I'd still argue that at the end of any given day a popular attraction will have longer lines as many people try to get in one more ride. < all one has to do to prove this is look at the 60 min+ wait times for Space Mountain during EMH, even in the last hour of operation. The line is longer and slower in EMH ( no FP's) that at any time during the day
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I agree. And part of my argument is that the same bag of incompetents are bringing you FP. < hey, I'll give credit where credit is due - this was a quality shot
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <True. But FP is being slowly taken out of DL. And you'll see it disappear at WDW on attractions it had no business being on to start. DLP has it on very few attractions, I think I used it on Space Mountain and Peter Pan only. The pendulum is hopefully swinging back to a more reasonable approach to it. < see this approach I have no issue with -- did it belong on HM and pirates that are people eating machines..no- agreed. Is it ( and not money) really the root of all evil- no either
Originally Posted By vbdad55 so many posts - so little time - had a day off and just got back from the golf course where I was with my problems ( my kids) - sorry, couldn't resist -- more drama
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan vbdad: I understand why you believe the lines would be longer during the EMH but don't unnderstand why you would think the line would be slower. I just visited Space Mountain during EMH and the line was out to the entrance of the orbiter. We waited approximately 40 minutes. During that same trip we waited in the standby line which was out just past the fast pass ticket machines for Space Mountain and waited much longer than forty minutes. From my experience the line was much faster. The one thing we couldn't figure out was why dozen or more people were still able to use the fast pass line, even during EMH.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I base it on how long my wife and oldest daughter waited to get on and off in early June and it was over 60 minutes. I can only go on what we experienced and that was it. Theline was in a similar postion and about 4 wide the first week of June In the meantime my youngest and I rode Buzz 3 times and had an ice cream...because we had to wait for them.. The using FP thing after it is long over - I agree is not acceptable