Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<jonvn, I apologize. I misunderstood the post. I will try to read a little more carefully.>> It must be a tough night with all those kids. I think your reading could still use a little fine tuning. I believe you owe the apology to Goofyernmost for your post #10. But if you want to apologize to jonvn too, that's fine with me. It will maybe restore balance to WE for my not apologizing to him at all. ;-)
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Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I did notice, however, that although he SAID he wants discussion he often avoided answering questions that disturb him. That really bugged me, and lead me to get really frustrated with him< because between the two threads I answered the questions many times over-- I didn;t see answering the same thing multiple times in the same thread.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 but thanks for acknowledging the fact I really did try and keep things civil -- when they got out of hand on two threads - I suggested stopping them and starting a 3rd only if there was going to be actual dialogue -- of course I got ripped for that though by someone else...
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Some of these posts are so infantile I can only conclude that alcohol MUST be involved.>> I agree, and suggest you stop posting until you are sober. You clearly can't comprehend what you are reading right now. NO ONE in this thread demanded and apology. DVC_dad offered one to jonvn. I merely pointed out that DVC's post hadn't really ripped on a jonvn post; he made it in response to a Goofyernmost post. But understanding what was ACTUALLY said never seemed to bother you before, so why should it now?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer At least the extremists are gone... By the way, if you google Beaumandy, you'll see that he's still out there stirring up the pot along side Dirk Diggler. He was posting fairly recently on the forums associated with a Air America radio show.
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Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ You are the person bringing crap into this thread. Prior to your post #22 everyone has been quite civil here. If you think that is not the truth, SHOW ME a post where someone else was insulting (except for DVC_dad, who was confused and later apologized, even if it was to the wrong person).
Originally Posted By ecdc Where's the campfire? Let's start singing "kumbaya" ... well ... except for X
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Mr. X, you like to sit there all high and mighty with jonvn and pretend that the two of you are the voices of reason while everyone else is 'hysterical'. The two of you have not been reasonable. You have from beginning to end taken the point of view that anyone who remains a member of the Catholic Church supports child abuse. That is so preposterous on the face of it that it could only be an issue on an internet bulletin board. You have declared that anyone who does not accept your premise is clearly misguided, believes in fairy tales, is hysterical, etc. You absolutely have a right to your opinion. But to declare that it is the only proper opinion is complete garbage. Unfortunately, after dozens of 'reasonable threads' pointing this out (not by me); you still refuse to accept the possibility that there could be any proper belief rather than your own. Once again I bow out of this thread. You are absolutely not worth the time it takes to respond to your crap.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>SHOW ME a post where someone else was insulting<< You mean this one? "I find the irony of calling others "extremist" the closest thing to laughable I have heard lately." "irony" "laughable" and the implication that I am an extremist, all in one sentance. Call a spade a spade for once, will you? Prior to that little outburst, by the way, I hadn't even chimed in here. But I'm not going to sit back and accept abuse, and I'm not going to storm out of threads like a little child either. If you don't agree with what I have to say, craft a response that makes sense. If you're right, plenty of people will back up your views. I haven't seen that anywhere yet, over the course of (now) 4 different threads. So you obviously haven't made your point. Out of frustration, you continually resort to hurling insults, right at the moment that you declare "I'm done here, I've nothing else to say to YOU!", and you storm off (for a while). This is not only you, several people have done it. It is totally juvenille, and that's no insult, it's an accurate description of the behavior that's going on here.
Originally Posted By Mr X And now the admins are after me. Since I can reasonably say that I kept my comments within community standards (and MUCH more so than others in this discussion), I can only assume that the angry mob is now pleading with the management to shut me up.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>You have from beginning to end taken the point of view that anyone who remains a member of the Catholic Church supports child abuse.<< Wrong. I didn't think that in the beginning. After listening to Jon's well crafted arguments, however, I came to agree that his solution is the only morally feasible one. If Jesus is important to you, there are plenty of other places to find him that don't involve heirarchical cover-up of rapes. **That is so preposterous on the face of it** Only because we're talking about the mighty catholic church. If this were a hare krishna issue or some other such minor league cult, you'd be singing the same tune right alongside us.
Originally Posted By jonvn "The two of you have not been reasonable." I suppose saying that I would have nothing to do with an organization that sheltered child molesters is unreasonable, yes. This is so true.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad I insulted jonvn. I apologized. I didn't insult Goofyernmost. I suppose I can rephrase my post. Instead of saying this... <<<Goofyernmost thank you for actually condescending to my lowly level, down here where the dregs crawl around, to give YOUR 2 cents. Puuuulease.>>> I should have said, "Goofyernmost, I think your post is a good example of the very thing you are trying to say is wrong. It is filled with sarcasm, insult, and a general "holier than thou" air. Why not post a reply to the content of others' posts, rather than give commentary on why people shouldn't post at all? This is the same thing that you did to vbdad55." There, no insults, no name calling. Is this ok with you Trippy?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I feel much better now. I am not sure why, when you were the furthest person from my mind, you need to attack what I posted. I was merely trying to point out how people do not see themselves and are guilty of doing the same thing that they are criticized others about. I am included in that group. The thread I was thinking about was the highly volatile child abuse, aka Catholic Church, discussion. It was amazing to me that no matter what degree of logic and theory was put into that discussion it was always answered in one form of the other with, "all of you are a bunch of idiots". That in my mind is extremism. And thanks for rekindling that old debacle with VBdad. I guess it really can't be believe when it is said that was behind us. Whatever I have done or said on these threads have been my opinion and mine only. If I wanted to stop a thread that I created because I knew it was going nowhere and shouldn't have been started to begin with, I think that is my right. I also wondered why a new thread couldn't have been started by VB to answer what he thought was important to be said. I didn't leave the boards, I just canceled that one thread. I'm truly sorry if what I say occasionally rubs people the wrong way but some do that to me as well and that is the way discussion boards work. I can't and won't always agree with everything that is stated here. If that isn't the way it is supposed to work then the name should be changed to "we should all agree boards". If nothing else we have managed to take the focus off jonvn and X.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I suppose saying that I would have nothing to do with an organization that sheltered child molesters is unreasonable, yes. This is so true< what you do is your business...but you have pontificating how stupid we all are because we have not done the same and that your approach is the one and only correct one..... that is the issue. NO ONE has argued that what has happened was really bad, that it needs to be corrected, and that those who perpetrated this need to be punished to the fullest extent. but unless we follow jonvn down his path, we are all idiots -- that is a problem...... let's not confuse the issue here.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Okay. Fair enough. Once again we have references in this post, to posts in another thread entirely. How does one keep up if he doesn't read each and every post? Why do we continually post things in "post A" that cryptically make reference to things said in "post B"? I can't keep up. I think perhaps I jump the gun before I know what is going on. From now on, instead of calling anyone out on anything, or allowing my "tender wittle feelings" to get hurt (by thinking the world revolves around me and that everything said is targeted at me) I think I will simply post my opinion, nothing more, and go on about my business. But before I do that let me clear this one thing up. Goofyernmost: You are quite right. I was wrong to bring that specific instance up. I apologize. That was clearly wrong of me, but unfortunately it was the best example of what I think is your occasional "skirt the perimeter and take sniper shots using innuendo" not to mention attaching two threads to each other to get in one last shot before you return to your roost, approach. I will from now on, ignore such, and simply say what I have to say without insults. But still, Goofyernmost, bottom line, I shouldn't have brought up that whole specific instance again, I'm sorry for doing so. You 2 guys are past it, I will get myself past it as well. Personally: I have to come to grips with the fact that I get too passionate or hard-headed when it comes to personal convictions of mine. I like to tell myself that I am open-minded, a self-thinker, an intelligent person. To be that, I must be more objective, less sensitive, and I'm working on it.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad ^ ^ ^ Oh and it helps to actually accept that fact that it is possible to be wrong once in a while. I think we all do that now and then, which I think is part of the essence of jonvn's origianl topic post.
