Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes ^^ I'm not following you. I sure as heck can get enraged at hypocracy.
Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes >>But then you can't ever act outraged when something offends you.<< A good friend of mine was totally outraged when he saw how some people were using worship for personal financial gain, just as I believe Farwell did. As I recall, he made a whip out of ropes . . . . .
Originally Posted By DAR My point is this those that take glee in the death of Falwell because he was an intolerant lout cannot claim that they are tolerant either. In fact the most intolerant people in this world are those that claim to be tolerant.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<My point is this those that take glee in the death of Falwell because he was an intolerant lout cannot claim that they are tolerant either. In fact the most intolerant people in this world are those that claim to be tolerant.>> I agree that several comments toward Falwell on this thread have been harsh. But that doesn't change the fact that there is a difference between: (a) actively spreading hate for personal gain; and (b) defending oneself and factually criticizing someone who is doing something objectionable. Your argument -- that one is as bad as another -- is a version of the classic "blame the victim" strategy. With the swift semantic use of "intolerant" to describe both actions, you equalize them. They're not equal. Decrying hatred is not promoting hatred. Defending oneself is not being offensive.
Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes Oh, good, because I don't claim to be tolerant. See post 64. However, I don't take glee in his passing, yet on the other hand, it's hard for me to "respect the dead" when I didn't respect the person in life. He's gone, so be it, I don't wish him good or bad in the afterlife, if any.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead So if I refuse to tolerate someone's intolerance, that makes me intolerant too? Ah. I am not a tolerant person. If someone makes it their life-long ambition to persecute and demonize an innocent segment of our population (all while becoming rich from it), I can not tolerate them. And if a plane flies into my building and a jackass claims that it was not a terrorist flying that plane, but rather god's hand punishing gays, then I will not tolerate that jackass. I am intolerant.
Originally Posted By DAR First of all Falwell was a jackass, I've never disputed that. What I am disputing is that we cannot be selective in what outrages and offends us.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<What I am disputing is that we cannot be selective in what outrages and offends us.>> Why not? Doesn't it make sense to you to be outraged and offended by things that are wrong and NOT outraged and offended by things that are not?
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 "Now, honey, I'm going to have to punish you. I know you didn't do anything wrong -- your brother did it. But if I'm going to punish him, I'm going to have to punish you, too."
Originally Posted By RoadTrip If you think hard enough you can find something good to say about anyone. I think Falwell made very effective use of alliteration when he coined the term "Moral Majority".
Originally Posted By barboy Clearly my favorite feature to the Falwell story is how he and Larry Flynt became friends. To me that almost rivals the the Tammy Faye Bakker and Ron Jeremy relationship.
Originally Posted By jdub >>"Now, honey, I'm going to have to punish you. I know you didn't do anything wrong -- your brother did it. But if I'm going to punish him, I'm going to have to punish you, too."<< That's actually a disciplinary strategy at my kid's school. Their thought is that if someone did something on the sly, surely SOMEONE else in the class saw the action & is covering up for it--and thus, everyone will reap the punishment until the aggressor and/or witness steps forward. No, I do not subscribe to this philosophy personally, but its outright wrongness, does, I guess get my child thinking about what IS social justice--what it SHOULD be.
Originally Posted By jonvn "That's actually a disciplinary strategy at my kid's school." You need to change schools.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I'm still not clear how saying that I am against the hatred Falwell preached means that I can now no longer say I am against the hatred that Rush and his ilk preaches. How exactly does THAT work? I showed no hatred of Falwell, just pointed out that he literally blamed me and my friends for what happened on 9/11. Exactly how respectful was Falwell being when he said that? It was disrespectful to every person who died on 9/11, as well as the innocent people he accused. But you want to pay your respects to him. I must say that I am not really surprised based on some of your comments on LP lately. That greatly saddens me.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut If implemented properly it can be used to develop teamwork, but assuming someone else saw something is another story.
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