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Originally Posted By DAR <<I showed no hatred of Falwell, just pointed out that he literally blamed me and my friends for what happened on 9/11. Exactly how respectful was Falwell being when he said that? It was disrespectful to every person who died on 9/11, as well as the innocent people he accused>> As I've stated repeatedly, Falwell showed no respect in this incident. But the best thing would be for people to take the high road. <<But you want to pay your respects to him>> Yes because he only hid behind the Bible to get his point across. He used words, he never killed anyone. <<I must say that I am not really surprised based on some of your comments on LP lately. That greatly saddens me.>> I believe in certain things, why should I change that to make you people happy. 1. Both are political parties are run by inept buffoons 2. The purpose of the Iraq war was a noble and just but was planned terribly 3. Global Warming is happening but still needs to be studied. 4. Gay people should have a right to marry and happiness. 5. Both parties have been hijacked by fringe elements that the parties are all too willing to embrace. The Jerry Falwell's on the right. The moveon.org's on the left. 6. Immigrants are more than welcome in this country, just do it the right way. My grandparents did. 7. The government doesn't owe you anything (I'm looking at you New Orleans). Learn to fend for yourselves.
Originally Posted By Mr X **My grandma died about two months ago. I don't know if she's in heaven or hell.** Lovely. What a horrible way to live life, thinking that your loved ones might be burning for eternity.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>**My grandma died about two months ago. I don't know if she's in heaven or hell.** Lovely. What a horrible way to live life, thinking that your loved ones might be burning for eternity.<< One HOPES that they are in heaven. The thing is, WE DON'T KNOW and WE CAN'T KNOW until after WE have died, unless, of course, the person in question is beatified a Blessed or canonized a Saint That's why we pray for our beloved dead at EVERY Mass and should pray for them all the time. >>Maybe he didn't like her.<< How DARE you!
Originally Posted By gadzuux The certainty you bring to these intangible matters is odd. The didactic tone of "this is how it is" when we're dealing with the very definition of 'unknowable' - why be so definitive? My guess is that it's a defensive mechanism that allows one to maintain faith. As if any acknowlegement whatsoever that there just might be a different reality would shake your belief.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Would you say that Falwell was a positive asset to the Religious Right?>> No people like Falwell and James Dobson hijack the Christian Faith for their own purposes.
Originally Posted By jonvn "How DARE you!" Thinking that your grandmother may be in hell is not something I would consider an expression of affection.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger It's odd. I'm not Catholic, and probably never would be. Yet I seem to understand where cmpaley comes from, and have no problem with it. I admire him for his faith. >>The certainty you bring to these intangible matters is odd. The didactic tone of "this is how it is" when we're dealing with the very definition of 'unknowable' - why be so definitive? << Because he has faith that it is true. If he believes it to be true, why would he state it in any other fashion? Why would he have to acknowledge another possibility when that possibility does not exist?
Originally Posted By jonvn I don't admire a faith where people are tortured forever, for any reason, period. It is simply revolting on its face.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad It's unfortunate that many posts can be boiled down to your basic "...if you don't agree with me, you are wrong..." argument. Try something um...different?
Originally Posted By jonvn Something different? How about a belief system that is not rooted in 5th century barbarism? That'd be a good start.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<I don't admire a faith where people are tortured forever, for any reason, period. It is simply revolting on its face.>>> Why? Would you rather have some sort of faith where there is no right or wrong?
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger >>Something different? How about a belief system that is not rooted in 5th century barbarism? << Well, if you want you can always start your own religion. Heck, you could become rich, if you're successful at it. But the Catholic doctrine is what it is. If one becomes a Catholic, one accepts it as truth.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Something different? How about a belief system that is not rooted in 5th century barbarism? That'd be a good start.>> When did Islam enter the discussion?
Originally Posted By jonvn "Would you rather have some sort of faith where there is no right or wrong?" I didn't say that, but any idea of what is right or wrong based on an imaginary being wants is probably not good, either.
Originally Posted By jonvn "the Catholic doctrine is what it is. If one becomes a Catholic, one accepts it as truth." Pretty much a tautology. If you accept it as the truth, it is the truth to you. So what? The idea that anyone would be tortured for eternity is disgusting. Torture at all is disgusting, let alone for eternity.
