Originally Posted By imadisneygal I think part of the problem is that many, MANY people think that Falwell's actions (and the actions of other radical "Christians") WERE Christ-like. And that's the reason he had so many followers. They thought that's what Jesus would have wanted them to do because Falwell told them that's what Jesus would have wanted, agreed with, or supported. It's very easy to sit back and say, "well, that's not what being Christian REALLY means" when it doesn't fit with your interpretation of Christianity. However, for many people he represented the pinnacle of being Christ-like. When there are so many different interpretations and understandings about the same religion and you call it by the same name it gets confusing. It's not that certain people here truly THINK that Falwell represented what Christ would want, it's that Falwell and his followers believe it. To many people James Dobson isn't Christ-like in his actions or words, but to a large number of people he is exactly that. And he's a Christian. Unless you happen to disagree with his particular breed of Christian and then you can just write him off. The fact is that he bases his actions and words on his own belief about how Christ would want him to live. Your interpretation might be different but what makes it any more right? Making people believe that you hold the key to their eternal soul is very powerful. If you can do that, you can say or do almost anything and if people still think you hold the key then they'll follow you.
Originally Posted By jonvn "You obviously do not have a clue what it takes to be Christian." I know exactly what it takes. Belief in Jesus. That's it. If you believe that jesus is your savior, then your sins are forgiven, and you need do nothing else. "Christian means christ-like." I'm glad you've invented this theolgy for yourself where you do the things you want and not do those you don't. And you also get to condemn others who don't do what you want, too. It's how it always works in all religions. But a christian is someone who believes that christ is god and their savior. That is what a christian is. If it meant "christ like" then there wouldn't be a single one on the planet. "Anyone who reads history..." Anyone who reads history knows that the christian church is little more than a corrupt institution designed to hold power over an uneducated and easily influenced set of populations. "You say that Christians deserve to be stereotyped because they have chosen to be Christian" No, actually, I never said that. "it sounds like you have already made up your mind." Of course I've made up my mind. I've seen far too much by far too many to have some half-baked apologist ramblings try and tell me what I know throughout history to have occurred are just oopsies.
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 Wow, for someone who flips out when someone suggests "Jews are good at Business", you sure don't have a problem pointing the finger at Christians.
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Originally Posted By jmoore1966 Very brave. Go make a new ID and make fun of the loudmouth. At least brave enough to show your actual ID.
Originally Posted By jonvn It is always, and I do mean always, nice to see anti-semitism come out so very fast when you scratch just a tiny little bit. But since you can't seem to tell the difference between what I said and what was said about me, I'll let it slide. I'm not going to correct a few thousand years of ignorance in a post or two.
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 I did not say anything anit-semitic. I'm fairly new to this board, but it does appear to me that you have given yourself the license to make broad statements against certain groups (christians, Germans -- of which I am neither) and then cry foul when anything remotely similar is said in your direction. You seem to claim history as a justification for this, but can't that be said for anyone with such a remark against any group?
Originally Posted By jonvn "I did not say anything anit-semitic. " No, it's only implied. The one who actually did say something well, that was taken care of. "you have given yourself the license to make broad statements against certain groups" Ah, I see. When someone, as a member of a group, decides to behave in a reprenhesible manner to a minority group, it's ok, but when these things are made mention, that's a tragedy. Of course, I understand completely. The fact is I have nothing against Germans, nor Christians. But feel free to malign me further since you are new here, and don't know much about me.
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Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<give peas a chance >> Oh, Sweet Pea Come on and dance with me Come on, come on, come on and dance with me Oh, Sweet Pea Won't you be my girl Won't you, won't you, won't you be my girl I went to a dance just the other night I saw a girl there she was out of sight I asked a friend of mine who she could be He said that her friends just call her Sweet Pea Oh, Sweet Pea Come on and dance with me Come on, come on, come on and dance with me Oh, Sweet Pea Won't you be my girl Won't you, won't you, won't you be my girl I walked on over and I asked her to dance Thinkin' maybe later on We'd be makin' romance But every guy there was thinkin'like me I had to stand in line To get a dance with Sweet Pea Oh, Sweet Pea Come on and dance with me Come on, come on, come on and dance with me Oh, Sweet Pea Won't you be my girl Won't you, won't you, won't you be my girl I finally got to whisper sweet words in her ear Convinced her that we oughta get away from there We took a little walk I held her close to me And underneath the stars I said to Sweet Pea Oh, Sweet Pea I love you can't you see Love you, love you, love you can't you see Oh, Sweet Pea Won't you be my girl
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 It is quite possible I misread you then jonvn. This place is getting just a little too bizzare for me. I've even got my own personal heckler following me around...
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<The one who actually did say something well, that was taken care of.>> If, by "taken care of," you mean "I made wild accusations and then had the thread shut down before any meaningful conversation could ensue," then, yes, it was taken care of.
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Originally Posted By imadisneygal Yeah, oddly enough that's not all that funny. But then if some little animated characters do it then it must be alright, right?
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Originally Posted By Mr X >>Yeah, oddly enough that's not all that funny. But then if some little animated characters do it then it must be alright, right?<< You are in the minority. Most people find south park hilarious...it's a very popular show (and movie).
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 Heheh. Then again, after re-reading post 130, maybe I did not misread you at all.
Originally Posted By jonvn "yes, it was taken care of." Actually, no. That's not what I'm talking about. But since you've already used two separate threads to make virulently anti-semitic remarks, what a surprise that you'd want to jump in to try and make some in a third. Not that you have, but I'm sure it does your heart well to see others do it. As for misreading me, you can read whatever you want. If you don't like the documented history of what the christian church has done, that's fine. If you think me making comments about it, as opposed to some bigot on here claiming all jews are good business people is the same sort of thing, then you really are not connecting the dots very well on this. But again, it's a very ingrained belief and behavior, and it's not going to get corrected by me telling you. However, I would say that you, jmoore, really haven't said all that much at all, unlike another poster or two here. So you are likely feeling a bit confused as to why I'm saying this to you. It's a bit of crossfire.
