Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 After thinking about this long and hard who am I to pass judgment on the parents or any parent for taking their child/children on MS. I personally would not take my son on MS. Rides like that scare me. No, I am not backing down from anyone here on this topic but I would not want someone to pass judgment on me for what I do with my son.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA All the intense Disney theme park attractions have warnings. Heck, even from the beginning, on Space Mountain, they've had the 'standard' warning on their sign, 'Space Mountain is a high-speed roller coaster 'ride' through space' etc... Standard warning... The warnings are posted in 'Indiana Jones' 'Matterhorn' 'Big Thunder' -- all the rides that have some level of intensity to them. And they're so common, you hardly look at them anymore. Sure, they're listed, but the thought becomes 'oh, yeah, I can handle that.' Now, with 'Mission:Space' suddenly, Disney really, really means it, when they say you shouldn't ride if you have any pre-conditions. The theme park warnings have become the PG-13 rating of the movies and have lost their effectiveness.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Excellent point that I have overlooked Jim. In the queue line is there any video of the ride in motion or of a rider experiencing the ride?
Originally Posted By sherrytodd OK *takes a deep breath* I think opinions on M:S are directly linked to peoples level of risk tolerance. So, a little background on myself. We are a very adventurous family who spend all of our free time outdoors. We enjoy backpacking, climbing, cave-exploration, mountaineering, etc etc etc. In that environment, we have raised our son. We are not huge risk-takers in that we always carefully calculate any potential risk and seek out so much training in everything that it often seems like over-kill, but we want to make sure that no mistakes are made. We have trained many many people both in static and dynamic rope-work and really are experts. So as such, our son climbed his first 14,000 foot peak when he was 4 years old (we contacted his pediatrician before hand to discuss potential altitude problems and got the go-ahead from him) and has been as high as 16,000 feet while back-packing in the Andes. To be quite honest, he handles these things far better then me. As far as my mom is concerned, she feels that these activities are risky and I'm sure many others could view it that was as well. But to us, and to many others who share our loves, these things are common place. We would never put my son somewhere where he was not comfortable and he actually hates ToT so we would never force him to ride it. But I suppose that as such, M:S just is not scary to me, my husband or my son and I do not feel that allowing him to ride it is child-abuse. Now, I know as far as our view of risk goes, we are probably skewed to one side. But I cannot fault the parents for taking their son on this ride and I cannot fault Disney for creating the ride. If it is not your cup of tea, simply don't ride it. I will not think any less of anyone who makes this decision. I avoid the teacups like the plague, but that doesn't mean I want it torn out. But don't attack people who choose to ride with their children. If otherwise healthy people were killed on this ride, I would certainly have a different opinion, but I'm not going to worry about everything that could potentially go wrong. I could have a stroke this afternoon, but I'm not going to keep it from experiencing my life to the fullest. Just my 2 cents, I'm not trying to fight with anyone.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 "Disney's Space Mountain Is More Intense Then MS".. Please Read This Report From Channel 6 News... Special Report Done Last Year.. <a href="http://www.local6.com/news/5423136/detail.html" target="_blank">http://www.local6.com/news/542 3136/detail.html</a>
Originally Posted By barboy Well skipper...tell me, and please be honest----do you enjoy paying higher prices because of others greed? I'll bet that you don't so you should dispense with the "out of line" comments. What that family and lawyer are doing is reprehensible and flat out wrong. I would never blame another for my own health issues or my own decisions that turned out bad.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 IT'S ALL HERE FOR YOUR READING ENJOYMENT "THE SAFE PARKS WEBSITE"" <a href="http://www.saferparks.org/" target="_blank">http://www.saferparks.org/</a>
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 Risk Factor #5: Intensity of Motion and Emotion No Government Standards For Children And G Forces.. Please read... <a href="http://saferparks.org/are_rides_safe/risk_factors/intensity.php" target="_blank">http://saferparks.org/are_ride s_safe/risk_factors/intensity.php</a>
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 sherrytodd - Very impressive. I wished my Mom was as adventurous as you. I still can't swim to this day and I am 40 but that does not stop me from going in the water. I just don't go too deep and never alone. I encourage my son to go and do as much as he can but unfortunately he is a natural born worrier. He is coming out of his shell a little at a time and that is good. Like I stated before, who am I to judge any parent for taking their child and/or children on any ride. It's just an unfortunate and tragic situation. Truly sad o(
Originally Posted By wahooskipper barboy...do you have children? If my child died on an amusement ride and I suspected that the park was negligible in some way then you better believe I would want retribution. I In fact, I've worked for Disney, Cedar Point and Geauga Lake and all are close to my heart. But, if my child was hurt or injured on a ride at any of those parks today, and I thought the any of those companies contributed to the injury, I would absolutely sue. I'd have two choices: Find someone and kick their *** or make them pay financially. You go to an amusement park to have fun, not to die. I don't know all the facts of this case but I do know that two different people have died after riding Mission: Space. I know that countless others have had medical treatment in some form after riding Mission: Space. And, I know that Disney has made significant alterations to at least one of the ride vehicles. The lawsuit is going to force Disney to disclose information that we might not even know about yet. And, if the lawsuit even has a remote chance of keeping others from getting hurt then that is a positive. Not all lawsuits are about greed.
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden Wahoo, I agree. I think it's very easy to point out how greedy they are. On some level I appreciate that sentiment, but it's easy to do sitting in front of our computers in this thread where we are all far removed from the situation. If this happened to my son, would I do the same thing as the parents? Probably. Is it right, is it rational, maybe not but it's probably a very normal reaction. Aside from the fact that there are enough incidents to at least explore the possibility that this ride may be unsafe. And if there's even the slightest possibility, I'm darn well going to find out.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad WOW What a hot topic this one is. You know I am glad that they are suing and that the thing will be settled in court. It makes the rides safe for all of us, but you know I have ridden the ride many times and so have my kids and my son who was 4 at the time. There is no way anyone can predict when someone will enter the que with a heart defect. I am sure the family hasn't yet thought to sue the pediatrician for not finding this defect BEFORE the death. Hummm....
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 <<I am sure the family hasn't yet thought to sue the pediatrician for not finding this defect BEFORE the death. Hummm....>> Some heart defects can not be detected unless certain tests are performed.
Originally Posted By barboy "Not all lawsuits are about greed." absolutely correct......but this one is. And you have a good point about 2 deaths---but that's all you have--There is no proximal link because of the preexisting health issues. As for the relatively high rate of motion sicknesses found in several riders this does concern me(and that is why I refuse to ride that creature again).....BUT Disney did conspicuously and strategiaclly place warning signs outside and inside the queue. "...do you have children? If my child died on an amusement ride and I suspected that the park was negligible in some way then you better believe I would want retribution." Me too, believe me; I would be the first to take action but only if the other party was "grossly negligent", (not this "negligence per se" junk). For me to bring suit the opposing party would have to do something pretty wreckless almost to the point of it being intentional---but that is just me. But getting back to the issue: where is Disney negligent???? Try to persuade me because I will listen and ultimately bend if you just show me what Disney did(or didn't do) to merit this case.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<You know I am glad that they are suing and that the thing will be settled in court. >> The only thing that's going to be settled is how much money Disney will end up paying the family... there have been hundreds of lawsuits may be thousands against Disney in the past, many over ride deaths.. I don't rememeber one outcome of a lawsuit that closed a ride, even when the family was paid money... But if someone knows of one please let us know..
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <Followup> The ride will stay open and both sides will continue to disagree..
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >"Not all lawsuits are about greed." absolutely correct......but this one is. < barboy, c'mon..no matter what side of the aisle you are on in this debate you have no way of knowing what the family's motivation is for the lawsuit.
Originally Posted By beamerdog >>Not all lawsuits are about greed<< Phew, I've been waiting for someone to say this here. We have absolutely no knowledge of what has motivated this family. Regardless of the legal outcome for the parents, I'll be interested in seeing what information comes out of the depositions.
