Originally Posted By DVC_dad Okay ok ok ok .... to all you parents out there. I LOVE Disney as much as anyone, maybe more than most...but if MY 4 year old got on a ride, and never came off alive, I would be inclined to sue. Sorry, but I am just trying to keep it real.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad I wouldn't sue for money, but for the truth to come out, to make SURE there is nothing to hide, and just to get the facts out there. HOWEVER, if I was convinced that it was not the fault of Disney after you know, the autopsy, ride inspection...I would NOT sue. And as crazy as it seems, I really do think I could be somewhat objective in that situation. Heck, one goes down, I got 5 more kids to take his place. My law suit would only be worth 20% of some one with only one child.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd Well as a single child mother, I really have no idea what I would do. Couldn't even fathom losing my son and to loose him at a place that I love so much. I don't know if it is necesarily greed or anger at loosing your child.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<Heck, one goes down, I got 5 more kids to take his place. My law suit would only be worth 20% of some one with only one child. >> That's not even funny... even if it was meant to be... : (
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Got to agree with Pixidust1 DVC_Dad, I've got a warped sence of humor and most anything is fair game, but that was cold
Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire I know there is no age restriction, and parents could even lie about the childs age, but if there was one do you think it wold give some parents a heads up to not take their child on the ride? And if (God forbid) this case was ever repeated, then Disney could say they also had an age reqirement. I was just at Busch Gardens and they had one on one of their rides.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys DVC Dad- "If one goes down...", don't even think about it. I come from a family of 7 kids and the first night around the table after the death of my brother, it seemed like there was 10 people missing from the dinner table.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I don't blame Disney here. If there was ANY question of a rides safety for a child than "a parent" should ride the attraction first and then decide if the attraction is appropriate for the child. My sister did this with Alien Encounter before she would let her daughters go onto that attraction. All the tour books on Disney say this. Go on it first. Then decide if its appropriate for your child. Its an unfair for the public to expect Disney to be aware of any guests medical state or conditions. Thats the responcibility of the guest or in this case the guest's parents. This was a terrible incident. Heck people have gone on plane flights and had heart attacks as the flight cased a blood clot to get loose and cause harm. Are you going to suggest that we chould ban plane travel? People need to take individual responcibility for their "own" medical conditions. Instead of blaming everyone else.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Tom, I was on your side in almost all previous amusement fatality" cases but this one just leaves me uneasy. Yes, people go on planes and die. But, the average person has a pretty good idea what a plane can do to you. The same for a rollercoaster. You can see it, get a sense of what it is going to do to your body, etc. Unless you are an astronaut I don't think you can look at Mission: Space and say, "yeah...I get it." Disney HAS taken extraordinary steps with this ride. I don't know of any ride that has been equipped with "barf bags". Not even the Star Tours, Body Wars or BTTF simulators. The warnings, as has been mentioned, are over the top. I don't recall but both of the deaths weren't children, were they? So to say this is a case where a child should not have been allowed to ride...what about the adult who died? I don't know of ANY situation in the amusement park business where a ride was altered in such a significant way as to completely change the experience. I know of some coasters that were reprofiled because of complaints of injury or discomfort but that isn't the same as completely turning off the technology. I just don't think this is a cut and dry case and that, if nothing else, is enough for me to agree that the court case might prove more defining one way or the other.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<what about the adult who died?>> It's been reported that the German woman who died suffered from high blood pressure (I think) and also has some problems at Disney in the days previous. <<I don't know of ANY situation in the amusement park business where a ride was altered in such a significant way as to completely change the experience.>> I am surprised they turn it off completely. I would have thought they would offer a toned-down version that spins just enough so that riders at least have some sense of movement.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I don't blame Disney here. If there was ANY question of a rides safety for a child than "a parent" should ride the attraction first and then decide if the attraction is appropriate for the child. My sister did this with Alien Encounter before she would let her daughters go onto that attraction.>> No, it's Disney's job to determine who the ride is safe for. It's not my job to say to myself, "Hm, the height restriction for TOT is 40 inches" or whatever it is, "so I'll go get in the 60 minute stand by queue to ride before I let my son ride, because it might not be safe even though Disney tells me it is safe". That's a load of crap Tom. I highly doubt your sister rode AE to determine it was safe for her child. She probably did it to determine if it was too frightening for her child. Those are two totally different things. As Jim said, amusement/theme parks have so many warning signs anymore, that they become too commonplace, and warning signs tend to get ignored. But there are two facts in this case. The boy was tall enough to ride, and he died. Those two facts can't be ignored by anyone on this thread. If the boy had a heart defect, and the parents knew but still chose to take him on the ride, then they deserve most if not all of the blame. But the people on this thread who still feel the parents should not have taken a 4 year old on the ride, then I think you need to get a life. If I knew nothing about the ride, and my son was tall enough, I would take him on. Because Disney tells me its OK to take him on with the height restriction. If I have high blood pressure, neck or back problems, or heart problems that I know of, and I ignore all of the warning signs, then I'm pretty stupid. But if I know nothing about an undiagnosed medical condition, it's not my fault for choosing to ride.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<< That's not even funny... even if it was meant to be... : ( >>> <<< most anything is fair game, but that was cold >>> <<<the first night around the table after the death of my brother, it seemed like there was 10 people missing from the dinner table.>>> pixiedust1 , demderedoseguys, Autopia Deb You guys are so right. I am very sorry about that post. Heck I won't even watch movies that depict children getting hurt. I am sure if I did lose one of my children for whatever reason I would feel like dying myself. Please don't think badly of me, I just got carried away. It's not a laughing matter at all. And especially to Demderedoseguys, I am very sorry to have reminded you of something that I am sure you live with daily anyway, but have to cope with without some yahoo like me reminding you of him. Happy thoughts! Sorry!
Originally Posted By sherrytodd DVC_dad. I knew you didn't mean it. You are one of the most incredible dads I've had the pleasure to know and your children are very lucky. I'm still thinking of coordinating my next WDW trip with your group and then slipping my son in with yours for the day. I figured you wouldn't notice one more. =)
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 Please Check This Out.. It clears up some issues about G-Forces applied to children and adults... <a href="http://saferparks.org/are_rides_safe/risk_factors/intensity.php" target="_blank">http://saferparks.org/are_ride s_safe/risk_factors/intensity.php</a>
Originally Posted By sherrytodd There was a really great show on the National Geographic Channel called Supercoasters, which covered all the physics of thrill rides including the physical effects and it included some studies of peoples responses while they rode a pretty intense roller coaster. It was two hours long and really in depth. I'll check to see if it will be on again if anyone is interested.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m I apologize in advance for how strong my last post was. I'm just getting tired of people trying to cast blame on the parents. I don't know if I feel Disney is personally responsible for the child's death, I'm not sure how I feel about the law suit. I just know that I don't feel comfortable riding this ride after two people died and several others became ill and were taken to the hospital. That's just my personal opinion. I'm not saying others shouldn't ride. And I know people have died on other thrill rides, and on mild rides like POTC. It still doesn't change my mind about wanting to ride M:S. And I personally love thrill rides.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad pixiedust1 that is a very informative web site! Never knew things like that were out there.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb DVC From previous posts I've read of yours it is clear that your family means more to you than anything else in this world.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys DVC_Dad- No worries. I know you're a great guy. My post was not meant to criticise you, but protect you. As a parent myself with two grown sons there are some things that none of us should never want to even think about that are every parents nightmare.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Thank you Sherry and Deb you know my family is the most important thing in my life. I still feel bad about that stupid, brain fart post I made. The last thing I want to do is make someone feel uncomfortable or offend someone, well... except for picking on Avromark about being Canadian, but he knows its just in good humor and not serious.
