Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>but based on the boy fairies>> <<Boy, you set that one up beautifully for Spirit, didn't ya?>> Boy fairies?!??! At Disney??!? Only if their names are Ryan, Jason or Bradley. (OK, that's not an in-joke, but from a list in some magazine that years ago said they were the most common gay male names ... I may be off on one of them!) As to the model, I haven't seen this one yet ... but you can't really go by what you see anwyay. I seem to recall whole lands disappearing from HKDL ... and the model on display at DCA's Blue Sky Cellar shows attractions and other features that aren't happening either.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I have two questions about all of this...My first I asked before and got no answer...What is the budget on this expansion? Secondly, shouldn't this whole area help reduce lines at other attractions????>> Actual budget? Have no idea. With all the cuts, likely in the 'hood of $350-400 million when all is said and done. And more attraction capacity should always help with shorter lines ... not that it matters as Disney is looking at virtual queues and other interactive ways to make lines not so troubling. But since I never really wait more than 30 minutes for much, it makes no difference to me.
Originally Posted By MousDad <<Actual budget? Have no idea. With all the cuts, likely in the 'hood of $350-400 million when all is said and done.>> I thought you had said that you didn't know of any cuts? And regarding the model being pimped by Stitch Kingdom, something's got to give. On their site, they are clearly billing it as a replacement to the notorious sets of blueprints. Others on other sites though are saying to trust the prints, implying that the model predates the prints. This is important because Dumbo sits where the PH attraction is in the model. So if the model predates the prints, it gives definite credance to Lutz's assertion that the original plans for FL (model) were cut in favor of a version with no PH attraction (prints).
Originally Posted By mousermerf I like the Dumbo placement better in the Pixie version. Seems like a better use of space - and even if they still axe the Pixies and keep dumbo there they then have a nice expansion plot still to add a major ride soonish. For all their synergy efforts, they're awfully nearsighted to not include a princess and the frog or rapunzel attraction.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Splash was built 20 years ago. The concept of toon tie-ins wasn't fully understood then.
Originally Posted By mousermerf The concept of toon tie-ins as it's "fully understood" is a joke and needs to be scrubbed from the minds of the creatively bankrupt at imagineering.
Originally Posted By mousermerf cheesy - i thought so too so i had to compare the actual ariel overview to the new model. It's just below where the photo is cropped, you can tell by the angles of Pooh's show building.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Yeah, it looks as if Mad Tea Party is just cropped off of the photo. Although it's nice to see that they had a themed Pixie Hollow ride planned, I hope they totally scrap Pixie Hollow for something better. By the way, that type of ride is actually a modern variation of an old amusement park classic called a Cuddle-Up which dates way back to 1910s. It's similarity to the Teacups is possibly why it may have been dumped...
Originally Posted By tonyanton In an ideal world that space would be left for later expansion... a great spot for a fourth MK "mountain."
Originally Posted By mousermerf I hope Dumbo stays near the speedway - that way it leaves that expansion pad open and accessible for something pretty big. If the move Dumbo into it, per the groundplan, then it really limits what can go there and also gives us nothing useful in the space by the speedway.
Originally Posted By jmuboy Personally, would rather have a ride in PH instead of a bigger Meet and Greet. Call me crazy!
Originally Posted By dshyates I hoping for a Tink coaster. I suggest a B&M Flyer like Manta with 5 loops and glow in the dark track.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros No, the Hulk has riders sitting in seats above the track. A flying coaster has riders lying down on their stomachs facing the ground, with the track above/behind them. I agree that it would be a great way to simulate flying, but I would wonder about having an attraction that intense themed to a franchise aimed at small children. That would be a good way to get boys on the fairy ride though!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I thought you had said that you didn't know of any cuts?>> No. What I have said consistently is that I am unaware of any recent (i.e. say last three months) cuts. Plenty has been downsized or cut in this redo, which is standard WDI protocol. Hundreds of millions have been lopped off since Jacobson's first proposal was presented. But a lot of folks are reading into there being recent cuts, which may well be possible but I haven't heard. <<And regarding the model being pimped by Stitch Kingdom, something's got to give. On their site, they are clearly billing it as a replacement to the notorious sets of blueprints.>> Prior to yesterday, I am not even sure I knew this site existed. So, I have no pull to just assume what they state is fact. And to know what came first, in this case. <<Others on other sites though are saying to trust the prints, implying that the model predates the prints.>> I believe that's the case, but it really makes little difference. Nothing is final until it exists! <<This is important because Dumbo sits where the PH attraction is in the model. So if the model predates the prints, it gives definite credance to Lutz's assertion that the original plans for FL (model) were cut in favor of a version with no PH attraction (prints).>> There are/were at least two attractions proposed, one much more significant ... I have no clue whether we'll get any. Last I heard, it appeared the PH attraction would be Phase II if it happened ... and much like DCA's Phase II, there's no saying anything will happen at all. Hope that clarifies what I know/believe.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The concept of toon tie-ins as it's "fully understood" is a joke and needs to be scrubbed from the minds of the creatively bankrupt at imagineering. >> Not completely fair ... or even close. It's not WDI that is pushing toon attractions, so much as TWDC's agenda is all about brands/franchises/merchandise and attractions 'must' have tie-ins. That mandate comes from Iger and Rasulo and Staggs. And Imagineers who wish to remain employed know they need to push these type of attractions (with few exceptions like HKDL, which needed unique attractions to seal the deal with the government!)
