Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I was originally upset by FP, not because it wasn't available to absolutely everyone that wants one, (and it isn't). If 10000 people show up at the same time to get one, a whole lot of people are not going to be happy so let's just drop this "everyone that wants one can get one" garbage. It just isn't true. < and if a million aliens from Mars show up at the same time they can;t get one either - why not stick to a plausible argument -- how many times have 10,000 people gone to the same ride for a FP ? Never...so what 's you're point to get so snippy ? So why don;t YOU drop the garbage -- also how many riders per hour on TT ? It might handle well more than 10,000 so there goes that stupid statement. the point is in any scenario that has ever existed everyone there has the same opportunity to get the saem FP-- when they're gone they're gone for everyone. Get it ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 btw - if you weren't so judgemental in the smart alec comment , you wouldn't have gotten the same back. Funny how I had this conversation for 40 posts with Chi Mike and it never turned like that..think about that.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <. I stood in the standby line for Space Mountain during extra magic hours and the line was near the Orbiter and it only took 30 to 40 minutes. Had this been during the day with fast pass operating it would have been 90 minutes or more I'm sure.< andd had all the people with FP's for later been there- it would have been longer than 30-40 minutes also --
Originally Posted By danyoung Once again vbdad stole my thunder! I guess I have to save up all my venom for TDLFAN these days, so you're doing me a big favor, dad!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 you'll need all you can save up for that battle -- glad to help. I love jumping in and jumping all over people like they're idiots....if someone wants to do that -move over to World Events - plenty of company there. btw -- Cali grill fave restaurant -- both see FP as inherently fair - and both could use to lose a couple pounds - pretty soon we'll be accused of being the same person... that should be next.
Originally Posted By danyoung As soon as TDLFAN tells you that he doesn't like Crisco, we're in trouble, my friend!
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost vbdad55, Of course there isn't going to be 10000 people. Man you are a literal person. My point was that in order to follow the "everyone is able" scenario then any number of people that show up at the earliest possible time will be able to get a FP and you know that because of the limited numbers that will NOT happen. Deny by putting down what other people say all you want, that is one statistic that will not change. It is only one small point of the argument. It was used to dispel that theory and nothing you have said, in an obviously "intellectual" way instead of my "stupid" way has done anything to make that different. We all know that you love FP and I am not arguing that point with you. In fact you couldn't find anyone on the planet that cares less about your likes or dislikes. I was trying to talk about a different viewpoint but broken records sometimes cannot skip beyond one spot. >>>the point is in any scenario that has ever existed everyone there has the same opportunity to get the saem FP-- when they're gone they're gone for everyone. Get it ?<<< And I just said that it wasn't true and you still haven't told me how it is available to everyone that wants it. There are just so many to be given out. You are correct, when they are gone they are gone. That's fair to those that got one but clearly unfair to those that didn't. Get it?
Originally Posted By danyoung Goofyer, you make it sound like FP's for any given attraction run out in a matter of minutes, and that's not true. There's plenty of time for anyone who wants a FP to get one. I'm also with vbdad in that your tone of discussion is pretty arrogant. If you want to keep that up, more power to you. Just don't be looking for any ongoing discussion, as dealing with the snarky shots just ain't any fun.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < In fact you couldn't find anyone on the planet that cares less about your likes or dislikes.< thay part I could care less about, but both DY and myself have put forth the point that every one has the same opportunity - which you did nothing to dispell by putting forth a wild scenario, then call our opinions 'garbage'....so you get what you get since you seem to stick to that approach even though -- so tell me again where we are wrong ? And I only put down your comment about garbage-- I commented several times to ChiMike about the fact I respect his opinion to not like the way fastpass works, but that is far different than saying it is not a fair system. Not sure why you have to call an opinion like that garbage -- but whatever works for you... <>>>the point is in any scenario that has ever existed everyone there has the same opportunity to get the saem FP-- when they're gone they're gone for everyone. Get it ?<<< And I just said that it wasn't true and you still haven't told me how it is available to everyone that wants it. There are just so many to be given out. You are correct, when they are gone they are gone. That's fair to those that got one but clearly unfair to those that didn't. Get it?< I get it just fine-- see if you can connect the dots here -- when the gates open at 8 AM or whenever.....people go to the fastpass machine - which dispenses the tickets for the ride -- there are x amount ( and unless you can show me one scenario at any time -EVER - there are enough at that time for anyone who is there --that is a fair system ( you do not need to have paid extra money, you do not need a special ticket - it is fair -- )- then when they are gone they are gone for everyone... if you come at 2 PM no there may not be tickets - but there are not tickets for anyone, just like there were tickets for everyone wheen it opened. why is this concept so hard to grasp ? Help me on where you are lost ... you even admit in your post that your off the wall scenario won't happen, so what's the problemo ? Danny boy-- maybe you can put this in more succinct language than me , I give up. intellectual vs stupid -- I'm not the one who jumps in 140 posts in calling what you basically agree you , garbage now was I ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Goofyer, you make it sound like FP's for any given attraction run out in a matter of minutes, and that's not true. There's plenty of time for anyone who wants a FP to get one. I'm also with vbdad in that your tone of discussion is pretty arrogant. If you want to keep that up, more power to you. Just don't be looking for any ongoing discussion, as dealing with the snarky shots just ain't any fun.< I see you were typing the same time as I was...thanks for backing up -- the conversation, while intense at points here,never got wise acred until the 'garbage'post -- then the attempt at playing the less than intellectual person - which I never said, but calling someones explanation, that you cannot refute and basically agree to ( Yes I am literal when someone uses a number like 10,000 for immediate need for FP ) - garbage.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost You might take the time to note that I was not the one that turned this into a personal assault. I merely stated my opinion about a situation and not the people that have the opinion different than mine. All of a sudden I was making stupid remarks. I expected people to think at least a little out of the box. I apologize if I was a little snotty but I didn't start it. I will, if attacked, come out swinging. Many months ago vbdad decided to attack me because, as he put it, I didn't have any reading "comprehension". Well I am not alone in that boat apparently and it is frustrating to have made a large post, mostly about the mood of people in the standby line, and have one small portion of what I truly believe come into target and then be told that my conceptual description was "stupid". Even though I have been a participating member of this board since 2001 it's like I am a teenager with nothing useful to say and no ideas worthy of thinking about. It's not like I have the power to stop FP even if I wanted too. Lighten up people, it's only a theme park. Anyway, I have explained my position more than once and always with the same response from the militant FP users who apparently think I have a direct line to Disney headquarters and wield some influence there. Everybody, take a pill, relax. I don't want to be the cause of any aneurysms.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >> it is frustrating to have made a large post, mostly about the mood of people in the standby line, and have one small portion of what I truly believe come into target<< >>Even though I have been a participating member of this board since 2001 it's like I am a teenager with nothing useful to say and no ideas worthy of thinking about. It's not like I have the power to stop FP even if I wanted too. Lighten up people, it's only a theme park<< I think you summed up how people feel in the standby line very well. I don't know how anyone could question that point and I'm glad you brought it up.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "I apologize if I was a little snotty but I didn't start it. I" Excuse me this is the opening of your first post, how was this supposed to be take, the explanation Dan and I posted were described as 'garbage' " a whole lot of people are not going to be happy so let's just drop this "everyone that wants one can get one" garbage " so you set the tone my friend.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I will, if attacked, come out swinging. < swing all you want -- as shown above it was you who started the attitude..
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <and have one small portion of what I truly believe come into target and then be told that my conceptual description was "stupid". < okay, this was the post about 10,000 people showing up at once for a FP - which you recanted in your followup post -- tell me again how this was real-- but if not for the 'garbage' label, it would have slid by....once again, you can dish it out, but taking it back seems to be another story. You right to make points is always there, to make them after you open the salvo by trashing all the points made for FP before that....at that point then you lose the respect.. go back and read how you started, had you not done that we would not be discussing this now.... "Many months ago vbdad decided to attack me because, as he put it, I didn't have any reading "comprehension". " I don;t even remember the circumstances,but if you want to hold a grudge - so be it....but the comprehension factor here is you saying you didn;t start it, when not only me but Dan has called you on the attitude you decided to take coming into the discussion...but if you can't see that by re reading your post - I can't help you
Originally Posted By vbdad55 goofy, if you had been in a 50 - 60 post discussion and either Dan or I or anyone else entered and my second sentence was your discussion points were crapola, you tell me how you would have responded -- swinging just like you explained you would.... any other answer after you posted that would be disengenuous...
Originally Posted By danyoung OK, cage match, 15 rounds, to first blood - goofeyernmost vs. vbdad55, followed by the night's headliner - danyoung vs. TDLFAN. It's a can't-miss bill - y'all be there!!!
Originally Posted By danyoung >Even though I have been a participating member of this board since 2001 it's like I am a teenager with nothing useful to say and no ideas worthy of thinking about.< These kinda comments always make me sad, cuz EVERYBODY has something useful to say. It ain't what you say, buddy, but how you present your argument. Make your point, don't call any names, don't say anybody else's point was stupid or silly or worthless, and we'll all get along fine. Keep it coming, goofy - we can take it!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 even better yet - somehow Goofy thinks I have some in for him..go figure...wait until he runs afoul of TDLFAN one day, like calling TDL garbage, or ripping on Donna Summer, I will seem as compassionate as Jimmy Carter....
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I have never argued against this whole equal opportunity thought. Just that someone's gain is someone else's pain. << ------------------ This is the crux of the matter. Some are arguing (that would include me) that FP is someone's gain, at the cost of someone else's pain, and this is what is "unfair." Others are arguing that "Hey -- If you're smart you can figure it out and you can get yours too." Meaning, things are somehow "fair" because everyone has an equal right to join the side that gets the gain, and contribute to someone ELSE's pain? Of course, then THOSE people will figure it out, and then contribute to even somebody ELSE's pain. And so on. Until, like Mr. Ponzi planned, the poor guys at the tail end of the scheme get stuck holding the bag.
