Originally Posted By basas <<Do you think Disney would have instituted FP if there would be no benefit to the company? >> So with your philosophy, lets run every ride at the minimum we can (heck, 1 train max for Thunder!), then we can post every wait time at 200 minutes, distribute thousands and thousands of FP's, and get everyone to shop all day! After all, who cares about guest service, and the shops are the real reason people come to WDW anyways, right?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<So with your philosophy, lets run every ride at the minimum we can>> Now you're just being ridiculous. FP is marketed as a service, and for many people it is. But don't think for one second that Disney invented it with the sole purpose of making lines shorter.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "your logic works perfectly well, if you live in the area and can attend when you feel like it -- for those who attend 1 -2 times a year or less - it doesn't work nearly as well..." I dunno. I think it doesn't matter where you're from or how often you go. You aren't going to see and do everything. You need to accept that before the trip. You'll be a whole lot happier. I remember meeting a family taking a road trip out west -- they were from VBDAD55's town -- and they literally were driving thru many places like the Grand Canyon and Yosemite and never stopping (except for the obligatory photos) or experiencing them. How can you get any joy out of that? Same with folks who stay at places like DAK Lodge and use it to sleep and shower in their rush to take 10 plunges into the Briar Patch on Splash Mtn. It makes absolutely no sense. Stop. Look. Experience. Behold. What did people do before FastPass? And don't say "wait in longer lines" because that just wasn't the case. I see absurd 160 minute wait times posted on attractions that I never waited more than 60-80 minutes on the busiest of holidays. FastPass is a mirage.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <You aren't going to see and do everything. You need to accept that before the trip. You'll be a whole lot happier< LDD -- after over 30 years of visiting I have certainly learned to do that so I kinda agree...heck I even enjoy my afternoon swims at the resort pool etc. without feeling like I'm missing something -- and I play a few rounds of golf early AM's when there... but....for the kids -- or if you have relatives/friends travel with you who are there for the first time..or go very infrequently -- there is no convincing them that they can;t see everything
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <What did people do before FastPass? And don't say "wait in longer lines" because that just wasn't the case. I see absurd 160 minute wait times posted on attractions that I never waited more than 60-80 minutes on the busiest of holidays. these times were very very real in from themid 80's to the early 90's -- crowds were horrid especially in summer months -- 2 hour waits were not uncommon for Space Mountain / Peter Pan / Star Tours when it opened / Spash after it opened etc. same was true for most top attractions at Uni too ! Waited just short of 3 hours in 102 degree heat one time early 90's for Back to the Future. I must have been nuts when i look back
Originally Posted By basas <<Not if you have one.>> Well, thats the thing. You can't always have one. You may get a FP for two or three attractions, but the rest (assuming you want to ride), you'll have to wait standby. Of course, because most of us visit often we can skip attractions here and there ("I'll do it next time.." sort of thing), but this isn't true for many guests who want to experience as much as possible. Sure family X might get a FP for Winnie the Pooh, but then they're stucking waiting in Peter Pan's inflated standby line. With the extra time spent in Peter Pan's line, the time spent to go to Winnie the Pooh, get the Fastpass, walk to Peter Pan, and then backtrack to Winnie the Pooh again, you haven't saved any time. <<FP is marketed as a service, and for many people it is. But don't think for one second that Disney invented it with the sole purpose of making lines shorter.>> Right...so I don't have to like it. Disney also puts the same plush toys in every shop for a reason too- they sell. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Some things take away from the park experience and I don't care how many extra cents it generates, it's not the quality and guest service we should be receiving. <<these times were very very real in from themid 80's to the early 90's -- crowds were horrid especially in summer months -- 2 hour waits were not uncommon for Space Mountain / Peter Pan / Star Tours when it opened / Spash after it opened etc.>> I'm not sure what your point is...waits are still just as long if not longer today. Epcot New Years Eve: Spaceship Earth- 60 minutes Mission:Space - 150 minutes Test Track- 180 minutes Soarin'- 250 minutes Not only that, but FP's were gone only hours after opening. Sure you might be lucky to grab one for Test Track, but if you want to ride Soarin', it's 4+ hours, or you're out of luck! Or even worse...you arrive after 10:30 in the morning and you can't get any FP's!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I'm not sure what your point is...waits are still just as long if not longer today. Epcot New Years Eve: Spaceship Earth- 60 minutes Mission:Space - 150 minutes Test Track- 180 minutes Soarin'- 250 minutes < apples and oranges --- New Years Eve - 4th of July etc different than 3 entire months from June 15 thru August 15th - all summer. I would sincerely hope one doesn;t attend on these holidays to commando the park -- different circumstances --
Originally Posted By basas <<apples and oranges --- New Years Eve - 4th of July etc different than 3 entire months from June 15 thru August 15th - all summer. I would sincerely hope one doesn;t attend on these holidays to commando the park -- different circumstances -->> I'll give you that, but I still don't remember seeing 250 minute (or, 300 minutes for Test Track a few years ago) waits for attractions even on NYE or 4th of July. Yes, i know there have been some exceptions (like right after Indy opened, etc.), but that is a completely different situation where thousands of AP'ers and guests are going to the park to see one attraction.
Originally Posted By basas Now, I'll also add, I know people will never agree on the FP issue, but can we all agree there are SOME attractions that Disney has thrown FP onto that it hurts more than it helps? Some examples: -All 3-D shows (Muppets at least lost it!) -Things like Maelstrom, Living with the Land, Jungle Cruise, etc. -Stadium type shows like LMA, Indy etc...
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I don't care how many extra cents it generates, it's not the quality and guest service we should be receiving.>> That's an opinion too. Others would disagree with you. FWIW, as I said earlier, I am rather ambivalent about FP. It works as advertised, but it creates some other "problems" as well. It's how one deals with the problems that determines whether one loves or hates FP.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN True^^^ Plus, I will add any omnimover ride... such as Peter Pan, or coasters with high capacity.. such as R&RC and EE. When you can move so many people at once... FP is not needed.
Originally Posted By basas <<True^^^ Plus, I will add any omnimover ride... such as Peter Pan, or coasters with high capacity.. such as R&RC and EE. When you can move so many people at once... FP is not needed. >> Well, I would say fast-loading attractions like Buzz and HM do NOT need it for sure. Then again, it doesn't do well at slow-loading attractions like Peter Pan either. Then again, you mention fast-moving e-tickets like EE, Thunder, and ToT....and now I'm just back to saying nothing needs it, and every ride would be better without FP
Originally Posted By pinpics101 Hey this is my first time writing but i wanted to add on to this conversation and say i have been going to disney for a long time now and i never pay for the fast pass i dont know maybe that is just in WDW but its completely free....
Originally Posted By TDLFAN and FPs are *free* at all Disney parks around the World pinpics... but don't mind it does come with a price attached: the moral majority in slow moving stand by lines.
Originally Posted By Mort2 Hey TDLFAN (or anyone else that might know): I was just about to purchase a Uni Express Pass online when I noticed the following in their list of restrictions... "Pass is valid for one (1) entry per accessible attraction at both Universal Studios Florida AND Universal's Islands of Adventure" Does this mean I can only use the Express Pass once at each attraction? Or does it mean, as I hope and assume, that each pass is only good for one person to enter an attraction and that I can use my pass several times to ride Spiderman? Thanks!
