Originally Posted By basas ^Not entirely sure...but sounds like it's good for only once per each attraction.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN That is correct^^^ You can only use the express line ONCE per attraction offering the service. So to answer the question posted... you will only be able to enter Spiderman ONCE using Express service.. If you want to ride more than once, you have to go stand by. That is how it is explained to me. Letting customers use the Express Line repeatedly at the same attraction is not allowed, and this I guess garranties the Express line won't be backed up, with the same guests going on the ride repeatedly thru Express Line. Sorry! I think it's only fair to those who choose not to pay for the added perk. NOW.... Over at Universal Studios JAPAN...it's done a bit differently but same principle.. They sell the 7, 4 or 3 coupon attraction booklets. The 7 coupon booklet allows you to visit the following rides using Express line only ONCE per day: 1. The Amazing Adventures Of Spider-Man™ - The Ride 2. Sesame Street 4-D Movie Magic™ or Shrek's 4-D Adventure™ 3. E.T. Adventure ® 4. TERMINATOR 2:3-D ® 5. Back To The Future ® - The Ride 6. Jurassic Park -The Ride ® 7. JAWS ® (again,if you want to re-ride, you must go Stand by..) The 4 coupon booklet is only for these rides: 1. The Amazing Adventures Of Spider-Man™ - The Ride 2. E.T.Adventure ® or Back To The Future ® - The Ride 3. Backdraft ® or JAWS ® 4. Jurassic Park -The Ride ® or TERMINATOR 2:3-D ® And the 3-coupon booklet lets you go on these ride (however, note the twist with the 3rd coupon): 1. The Amazing Adventures Of Spider-Man™ - The Ride 2. Sesame Street 4-D Movie Magic™ or Shrek's 4-D Adventure™ 3. Experience *ANY ONE* of the following six attractions. E.T.Adventure ® , Back To The Future ® - The Ride , TERMINATOR 2:3-D ® , Backdraft ® , JAWS ® , Jurassic Park -The Ride ® Hope that helps!!!
Originally Posted By Mort2 Thanks basas and TDLFAN. Sorry to hear that is the case, but it probably makes sense from both a business and (non-express) guest perspective. I'll probably go ahead and buy an express pass even though it is a once-only entry since I have only one day to see both parks. But I'm much happier to know about this now rather than to be suprised by the policy once I get there...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Your 'version' of the truth is not the same as everyone else's -- it is not the TRUTH, it is only one opinion --quite a difference.<<< OK, so it boils down to what our perception of the word TRUTH is. In your opinion every thing you have said about playgrounds and the people that think they are cool is the truth as you see it. That is no different than the truth as I see it. Opinion to the individual with it, is the truth. To someone that disagrees it is hogwash. Define it anyway you like. I hate fastpass! It has taken away a lot of the enjoyment I used to experience at Disney.(I obviously am not alone in that) I think that the person who thought of it should have his/her hand slapped and made to spend 8 to 10 hours a day in the Pooh Playground. That is my true feeling and you obvious have yours. Time will tell what the overall reality is. If Disney is already starting to cut back on Fastpass opportunities that would lead me to think that it isn't the sunshine and roses that some think it is. If it stays I have two choices..one is never to go to WDW again (not likely) or live with it. The same as you have with the Pooh Playground. If you want to keep playing with word definitions we could go on all day but it think we should take a Fastpass on this one and just shot right on through. >
Originally Posted By Labuda "Opinion to the individual with it, is the truth." Nope. Opinion is opinion. Truth is truth. Different concepts. Truth is absolute - either something is true or it is not. Opinions are subjective. From the MW thesaurus: Entry Word: opinion Function: noun Text: 1 an idea that is believed to be true or valid without positive knowledge <my opinion is that such interference was unnecessary> Synonyms belief, conviction, eye, feeling, judgment (or judgement), mind, notion, persuasion, sentiment, verdict, view Related Words say; impression, perception, take; attitude; assumption, presumption, presupposition; conclusion, decision, determination; deliverance, esteem, estimate, estimation; credence, credit, faith; concept, conception, idea, thought; position, stand; comment, observation, reflection, remark; conjecture, guess, hunch, hypothesis, surmise, theory; advice, recommendation, suggestion; angle, outlook, perspective, point of view, shoes, slant, standpoint, viewpoint Near Antonyms fact, truth 2 a position arrived at after consideration <my opinion is that we should refuse to do business with that company> -- see DECISION
Originally Posted By danyoung >Yes, FastPass keeps lots of people out of the lines. Which, at least at Disneyland, makes for an extremely crowded park.< This is one of the areas that I can't argue with, as I've seen it myself. I still think the benefit outweighs the cost, tho. >But it's not very nice for the folks inthe standby line to have to wait longer becuase 100 fast pass guests from noon are now hitting the line at 5 pm or whatever.< I have no facts to back this up, but my gut tells me that only those of us online geeks who know that this works will be the ones doing it, meaning that I doubt there's very much impact from the general public going outside of the time boundaries.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Well, the merchandise sales didn’t quite spike as expected.< Again, while I have no real info to contradict you, I gotta wonder at your source for this. >And did Disney attempt to make the waits as long as possible to encourage this spending? Yes.< This is just pure speculation. There could be many reasons for a limited number of boats on the Living ride. There may have been a shortage of trained CM's. There could have been some other capacity problem. They could have started the day with fewer boats and not increased the capacity to keep up with demand. Tight budgets could be hamstringing the ride operators. But to say that Disney is INTENTIONALLY creating long lines is a huge stretch for me. >But look at the backups in the stand by line...< When FP was first announced I was pretty vocal with this point, that while some of us would breeze through, more people would be in a line that now moves at half speed. And I agree that this is a drag. But I stand by my thought that the FP service is open to everyone. It's my choice whether to do FP and come back later or bite the bullet and stand in a 60 minute line. Before FP the only way to ride some rides was to get there right at opening. Now I can do a little bit of planning and enjoy them throughout the day. So it works for me. And I don't shed a tear for those hundreds of people who are grumbling as they wait in standby - get a FP next time!
Originally Posted By JHelba I don't like to wast my time so the wife and I do Disney as it is intended....a precise military strike force operation. We obliterate all the parks in 3 days. If you manage your passes and waiting well it goes smoothly, you just need to apply a little brain power. Our trip went flawlessly except when I sent her off to get a Splash Mountain pass and she returned with a Thundermountain pass at a time when TM was down for repairs. A little backhand medicine corrected any future instances however.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA FWIW, as I said earlier, I am rather ambivalent about FP. It works as advertised, but it creates some other "problems" as well. It's how one deals with the problems that determines whether one loves or hates FP.> Ah, I see. So if you can put up with the super-crowded walkways, and overly long standby lines for smaller attractions like 'Autopia,' then it's good. If you don't like slogging it out with throngs of people in a park that only feels crowded because no one is in line, it's bad.
Originally Posted By danyoung >A little backhand medicine corrected any future instances however.< Good God do I hope you're kidding! About that and the strike force style of park storming. If not, don't be expecting me to join you in a park visit any time soon!!!
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Good God do I hope you're kidding! About that and the strike force style of park storming. If not, don't be expecting me to join you in a park visit any time soon!!!<< Really!! Wifebeater alert!!! I am sure he gets around in a Haines undershirt all day long!!! But honestly... It's a sad concequence of FP now that so many guests feel compelled to have to "work their brains" planning and replanning how their day would go. I was never raised like that to go about my Disney parks (except at TDR where you do have to go in with a plan if you are there to catch something in particular...a show op special event or Hunny Hunt for example) Also, many times, guests check their brains with their luggage and the airlines and DME loose it, so not all guests have the same ability to plan commando days.. Seems to me it's too much work. Go relax and enjoy your day stress free. You're on vacation in the first place!!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <But honestly... It's a sad concequence of FP now that so many guests feel compelled to have to "work their brains" planning and replanning how their day would go. I was never raised like that to go about my Disney parks> Totally agree TDLFAN. Not everyone wants to 'power out' a trip to a theme park.
Originally Posted By sjhym3 All this philosophying about FP is all well and good but in the end FP is really just a math equation. FP is a system that is not needed on slow days. I liked the way Universal didnt even open their system on days when the avg wait time was 15-20 mins. Disney should do the same. FP is a wonderful system on medium days. Then it works exactly as Disney intended. (danyoung eluded to this in an earlier post) You take a pass with a return time within the hour, you go shop or eat or wander then return. Disney makes money, you didnt wait in line, standby lines dont get too long. It works for everyone. FP is a terrible system on high mid - to very busy days. The system is designed to only handle so many guests per day which results in FP being distributed early in the day and results in very long standby line. Sorry folks, as a former mgr in all 4 parks for many years I can tell you that the standby lines today are longer than they were pre-FP. Its a fact and I know for a fact that upper mgmt knows this to be true from the studies they have done. Why keep FP then? Because the psycological part of FP (the idea that your not standing in a line) outweighs the reality of longer standby lines. FP has increased guest complaints. A friend who manages Guest Relations at one of the parks has told me that complaints about lines have sharply increased since the inception of FP. As for the math. Though the system is a complex computer thing the math is really quite simple. When you have people who have the ability to be in two places at once (your FP virtual queue and an actual line at another attraction) you increase the number of guests waiting at to ride at any given time. The attraction capacity hasnt changed but you have...you are now waiting at Splash Mtn with a FP and at Big Thunder physically. So whenever you have a FP and wait on line you are taking up 2 places on line somewhere. FP has some problems built into it also. The FP model doesnt allow for breakdowns. When a breakdown happens the system can fail big time. A recent case was at RNRC which was down for a couple of hours, you then have a mass of FP people who are backlogged and standby people who are waiting to ride. Usually creates quite a mess. Secondly, CM problems. A good CM will know how to keep both the FP lines and the Standby line moving. Unfortunatly like most places in life some people grasp that concept well and others dont. A CM can hugely affect how a standby line moves. Thirdly, the system was set up with the idea that a certain percentage of people will no show for their return time. Of course that happens but not at the percentage that Disney expected. Also the system was not set up for a person to return several hours past their return times. But CM's would rather allow you to board than get into an arguement and most know that a Mgr would override that CM's decision anyway. One more piece of info that may be helpful when discussing attendance. Disney's formula for hours and attendance is as follows: In a normal 8 hour day a guest should be able to experience X amount of rides. When attendance projections increase the hours of the park are extended so that the same guest can still experience X amount of rides within the posted park hours. So Disney doesnt expect that you will be able to increase the things you do when the park is open later, just that you can do the same number of things as you would on a slower, shorter day.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "" In your opinion every thing you have said about playgrounds and the people that think they are cool is the truth as you see it. That is no different than the truth as I see it. "" Goofy, Can you not read ? Please re-read my response - post 97 - again and tell me where I say my version of the playground is the truth...I say exactly the opposite..take your time before you decide to lash out -- it helps if you actually want to criticize me for something I said vs. something I did not say ! "Fair enough -- but again my viewpoint of the playground is my opinion ( and that of many others here also ) - but it doesn't make it the TRUTH either"
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <If you want to keep playing with word definitions we could go on all day but it think we should take a Fastpass on this one and just shot right on through. > < again - reading comprehension is an acquired skill -- if you want to criticize me - make sure it is on facts - not your opinion -- I make bones about the TRUTH -- so I am not playing with definitions, I clearly stated my opinions were just that...opinions. And you wonder why you got slammed by some others --- before ADMIN took out those posts -- you think it's cute obviously to take little side shots-- and I can take them as well as anyone -- if they are deserved. I don't find it very clever.
Originally Posted By danyoung >It's a sad concequence of FP now that so many guests feel compelled to have to "work their brains" planning and replanning how their day would go.< Honestly, I've never had to get out a book and chart out my action. FP is simply an option that I can use, a tool in my Swiss Army knife. If a line is long, but FP offers a good return time, I take it. If not, then I pass till another day. It's not that hard, and it doesn't take the full use of my massive brain to figure it out.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Well obviously this has gotten out of hand. I started out talking about Fastpass and why I thought it was a bad thing. It has turned into a direct assault on my intelligence, ability to read and comprehend. (and it was said that I was rude) It also flared into a scenario where I think that my opinion is the only acceptable one. Good grief, I even had a quote from a dictionary in an effort to "literally" define the words I used. Obviously few have heard about analogies either. Enough said, if Fastpass stays I will have to live with it, if it goes others will have to live with that. I have no control over it and, from what I can tell, no one else in this forum does either. I am also sorry and not just a little bit disappointed that a discussion forum doesn't allow for more than one side of a discussion without personal attacks. I spoke of no one in particular in my early remarks. In fact, I didn't even know I knew anyone that fit what I was saying. Then I was attacked, personally. I have an opinion, I have expressed it and I am not going to waste your time and mine repeating it over and over. In the whole scope of world events it is pretty small potatoes.
Originally Posted By basas <<I have an opinion, I have expressed it and I am not going to waste your time and mine repeating it over and over. In the whole scope of world events it is pretty small potatoes.>> I find that is quite typical of many pro-FP'ers (not all mind you). If you tell them you dislike the FP system, they say your just too stupid to understand it, and can't use it to your advantage. I like to think that its THEM who don't understand it, and how it has dumbed down the theme park experience .
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Goofy, you never address the fact you accused me of playing word games I did not - even when I gave you my exact quote. Instead you choose to change the point and then claim 30 posts later to be guilty of using words literally instead of the way you typed them, then defended them. So the personal repsonse came after being continually misquoted into something I did not say and can show I did not say -- I will not be misrepresented. Why don't you respond to exactly what I put in post 136 ? You have taken shots from more than me lately because you choose to give your opinion and stick to it -- which I have no problem with ( again as clear in post 136) - but you don't like to be called on it when you make it more than an opinion-- and then choose to sidestep the actual issue. If all you said was you don't like Fastpass just like I don't like the Playground, we wouldn't be here now would we ? But you chose to call your opinion the Truth - not me. And please don't insult others also by saying obviously few here have heard of analogies -- there is more than one English major on this board and a slew of very intelligent people. And while we're talking of personal attacks - luckily ADMIN took out some of the others you were involved with mid thread - that did not involve me but another poster. And the thinly veiled shots at others who might come to their defense...like some here travel in packs or something.. So we have wasted enough of everyone else's time..( for which I apologize to my fellow posters) ..and if you choose to actually read what I wrote and put again in post 136 let me know -- if not I am done with this. btw analogies would be: 1. shoe is to foot as tire is to wheel 2. followers are to a leader as planets are to a sun An analogy is a comparison in which different items are compared point by point, usually with the idea of explaining something unknown by something known -- so I am really lost on where that applied. ******************************* *******************************
