Originally Posted By vbdad55 meanwhile, back on topic, I still like Fastpass in limited use - depending on the attraction - and if there was actually such a thing as a slow day anymore, I think it would also be unnecessary on those days - and being a program driven tool, surely there are IT people monitoring that could make it more adaptable to certain situations. I also agree that maybe the return time could be extended some from where it is now, but then when it expired it expired - and could not be used later in the day -- ( and again I think if they were refed into a reader upon entering the FP line, I would think a program could be written to track unused FP's and feed that info back to allow more FP's to be issued later. p.s. I still very much dislike the Pooh Playground -- and although the fact of the matter is that may not be the truth to everyone, it is my humble opinion.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I find that is quite typical of many pro-FP'ers (not all mind you). If you tell them you dislike the FP system, they say your just too stupid to understand it, and can't use it to your advantage. I like to think that its THEM who don't understand it, and how it has dumbed down the theme park experience .< I like to try not to bucket all of one side or the other together as I think most people understand the disadvantage let's so to a local who comes to the park after work - especially in summer or holidays when busy and finds all FP's gone --- and I hope others understand that many visitors only get that one trip per year ( and most far less than that) - and time is of the essence to take part in certain attractions - and the flexibility to 'do it next time' just doesn;t arrive nearly often enough. I think there is room for a happy median -- and since the system seems to be fairly sophisticated I truly believe that can be accomplished. I don;t think it dumbs downthe experience for the family of 4 - 5 that gets their 4 day vacation - i day per park basically and tries to get in the most they can. Yes it is nice to stop and smell the roses so to speak, it is just not possible for everyone, and I don't believe there is any one right way to enjoy the parks - everyone gets something different out of it -- I solved it by making 4 - 5 days trips into 10 - 14 day trips.....not everyone gets that option, and maybe I won't be able to one day either - so limited FP seems to have a place to me....not saying that certain issues with it don;t need to be looked at for optimum solutions. agreed ?
Originally Posted By indysoarin19 I think FP can be of use as long as it isn't on every other ride. In other words, I think FP can be slimmed down a little. So I jotted down a list of a slimmed-down FP system at WDW. Animal Kingdom EE Kilimanjaro Kali (especially during summer months) Dinosaur Studios TOT RnRC Star Tours (particularly for SW weekends) Epcot M:S Test Track Soarin' Magic Kingdom (where the problem is huge) Splash Space Thunder Peter Pan All of these rides have a legitimate reason to have FP, as opposed to the Primeval Whirls and the LMA's of the World. Summing it up, FP works, but the system needs to be slimmed down a bit.
Originally Posted By indysoarin19 The above system would trim the number of FP rides down from 29 World-wide to 14.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I like your list -- would match mine pretty closely -- I would just add Buzz because in summer that ride gets ugly line wise -- and you can match the FP up with SM next to it -- I view FP as most helpful when attractions are close to each other...
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>The above system would trim the number of FP rides down from 29 World-wide to 14.<< World wide?!?!? With 5 Disney resorts in the World... There must be around 75-100 attractions offering FP in all corners of the World!!!
Originally Posted By IanBassi I think another problem with fast pass is that most rides were not designed for it. For fast pass to work, and the standy queue to keep moving, you need two loading stations. One for fast pass and one for the normal queue. That way the standby queue keeps moving, and the fast pass queue is quick.
Originally Posted By Elderp You don't need to loading queues you just need two lines and a place where they both eventually unite.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>You don't need to loading queues you just need two lines and a place where they both eventually unite.<< That's the way it's been since FP came online. FP and Stand by have never boarded rides/shows at separate points.
Originally Posted By Disneybrad >... most of these folks were blocked off from using another FP until very later in the day... So that rule effectively took away their chances to take advantage of FPs on other rides earlier in the day...< ""Isn't there now a 2 hour window? In other words, if you get a FP at 10am for a ride between 3pm & 4pm, can't you get another FP 2 hours after issuance, in this case at 12noon?"" Yes there is the 2 hour maximum wait time to get your next Fastpass. TDLFAN has been around long enough to know this, but that would have meesed up his point to remind people of it.
Originally Posted By danyoung >TDLFAN has been around long enough to know this, but that would have meesed up his point to remind people of it.< You're implying some ulterior motive to TDLFAN, some intentional obfuscating of the facts. I have never found him to do this. He can make a mistake just like the rest of us.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>"Goofy, Can you not read ? Please re-read my response - post 97 - again and tell me where I say my version of the playground is the truth...I say exactly the opposite..take your time before you decide to lash out -- it helps if you actually want to criticize me for something I said vs. something I did not say !"<<< Response to #135 I will concede, looking backwards, that the use of the word truth, in this case was unfortunate. You are speaking of truth in the sense of verifiable, proven actuality. I made the mistake of trying to use it in a more abstract, philosophical sense meaning what any of use believe is truth to US. Not necessarily the world. It was a word that I used to emphasis a point. You believe that the playground is bad, ugly and in insult to Disney purest. I do not disagree with your opinion. And as you stated there are those out there that do not agree with you or me on that point. But it is the truth that you believe that it is a bad thing. That was the context that I was using the word in. >>>"again - reading comprehension is an acquired skill -- if you want to criticize me - make sure it is on facts - not your opinion -- I make bones about the TRUTH -- so I am not playing with definitions, I clearly stated my opinions were just that...opinions."<<< Response to #136 You are correct. I was talking about Fastpass and why I didn't like it. I may have used a few incorrect words in my zeal to get my point understood (not necessarily accepted). All of a sudden the topic changed from Fastpass to the English language and my use of it, definitions and all. I can assure you that my comprehension skills are at a par with anyone here. It was somewhat knee jerk reacting because as long as I have been here on this board opinions were usually treated with at least a little bit of respect. It may be the influx of "trolls" that has everyone on edge but, I really felt attacked. I know that FP is a sensitive subject. It prompts emotion from everyone that uses it, doesn't use it or is unaware of it. I think TDLFAN was the one that pointed out the demoralizing aspect of the program. That aspect may mean the difference between people returning to a Disney park in the future or finding the entire experience too frustrating to repeat. That is my main worry. Is it fact! Maybe, I don't know. The future will tell that. Basically we are all on the same side, we love going to Disney. We dislike anything that we perceive as detrimental, in the long run, to that experience. With you it is a playground and to me it is Fastpass. Is it possible to just let it go at that? PS. If any posts were admin'd I never saw them so they were not a contributing factor.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >any of use believe is truth to US< should have been "any of us believe is truth to us."
Originally Posted By DVC_dad I love fastpass, and I still don't understand why anyone wants it gone. It isn't a complicated system of "in the know" type stuff. It's free. Step 1) Get your lazy arses up and be there when the park opens. Step2) Fastpass one e-ticket ride and go wait in line for the other. Step 3) Repeat step 2 I always have a minium of 6 kids, all under 11 years old. If it weren't for fastpass my kids would not get to ride hardly any e-ticket rides. So to all the whiners, you stink.
Originally Posted By JHelba Of course I'm kidding, except about the part of our visit being a strike force operation, that part is true.....we actually lost weight despite eating all day long in the parks and drinking and eating in our room. What stresses us out is lines and wasting our time not planning my rides out. On a side note we actually met Bruce Willis's movie double and hung out with him for awhile and talked Bruce Willis talk. We met because I was in a hurry to make a ride and he was in my way and I had to say "Stand aside Bruce Willis you're in my way."
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Yes there is the 2 hour maximum wait time to get your next Fastpass. TDLFAN has been around long enough to know this, but that would have meesed up his point to remind people of it.<< Not that I need to explain myself to anyone here.. but NO, I did NOT know that there is a 2 hr max window. However I made my comment based on what I read another person complain about on another site (I'm not unique to LP you know..) so obviously this person was not accurate as well.
Originally Posted By indysoarin19 In response to #148, when I say "World-wide" I mean all of WDW. Same as when people refer to Disneyland as the Land and WDW as the World.
