Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>> I don't like ANY of you jamokes! << Actually, I'm Czechoslovakian.< Me too ( 1/2) - although you know there's really no such thing to some extent - the country only existed for what - 70 years or so?... My grandma from Austria-Hungary ( which became Czechoslovakia - then the Czech Republic or Slovac Republic depending) and Grandpa from Prague on my Dad's side..all German on my Mom's side
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m Hope you guys had a nice dinner! <<Lighten up. Please don't feel compelled to pick an argument with people you have never met, and don't know.>> (in my best whiney voice) HE STARTED IT!!! LOL
Originally Posted By danyoung >... the whole reason people would want a fastpass is to have an unfair advantage over other people.< I know we've been over this before, but IMO FP is in no way unfair. In fact, I would feel bad about taking unfair advantage over others. I enjoy FP because I am taking totally FAIR advantage over those who choose to wait in the standby line. The same FP that I'm using is available to everyone equally. All they need is a few working brain cells to figger out this simple system. And they need to realize that FP may run out at some point in a busy day, just like we used to need to do the big attractions first thing in the morning or fact a 60 minute wait. Making use of FP is no more unfair than me getting to the parks at gate opening is an advantage over those who sleep in till noon.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m Yeah, I still don't understand how FP is unfair. I'm having a hard time rapping my brain around it. Since it is available to everyone, I don't know how they could make it more fair.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I can understand how those who can get one would feel it is fair. The sad fact is that until it is available to absolutely everyone when they request it, it will always be unfair. Not to the ones, like myself, that choose to use standby, but for those that would have used FP if it had been available. How you feel about it is all in where you are standing at the time. In my admittedly wild guess, I would say for every 10 people it makes happy, at least 40 are frustrated. Is that good for business overall...I doubt it sincerely.
Originally Posted By CMDad I have no problems regarding fastpass since no one is excluded from getting one. Like anything else in this world, if you want to get a FP for a popular attration you might have to get there earllier than for a less popular FP attraction, but that doesn't mean it isn't fair. Nowadays I don't get to the park very early, and - as with this past trip - some attractions no longer have FP when I get there - BUT I had the same option of going early and I declined to do so. So I respectfully disagree with those who claim it is unfair. Unfair is Universal's way of handling it and I have stopped going there because of that since I coudln't get on many attractions even with standby (I can only go during extremely busy times.)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I can understand how those who can get one would feel it is fair. The sad fact is that until it is available to absolutely everyone when they request it, it will always be unfair< if the guideline is anyone can have at anytime with no limits ...and everyone gets the same thing - morning, noon or night -- then the world is not fair...so therefore neither is fastpass. I still believe FP is more than fair on most playing fields -
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden <<Yeah, I still don't understand how FP is unfair. I'm having a hard time rapping my brain around it.>> It's unfair in the sense that it's free and available to everyone.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The sad fact is that until it is available to absolutely everyone when they request it, it will always be unfair.< Sorry, but this is just ridiculous. That's like saying that a grocery store that sells, let's say grapes, runs out of grapes, and someone who wants grapes now can't have them, so selling grapes is unfair. The FP system is equally available to ALL guests - no one gets preferential treatment. It's widely available in the mornings, less available in the afternoons, and frequently sold out by evening. But this limitation also applies to ALL people. If I could get a FP for some reason even if they were sold out, then that would be unfair. But as long as everyone has equal access, then the system is totally fair.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I would say for every 10 people it makes happy, at least 40 are frustrated.>> As I wrote earlier, Disney has the data. If it was indeed true that 80% of guests were frustrated with FP, they would surely change the system. They couldn't possibly keep their business running, much less growing if they aren't satisfying their customers. You know the saying about how a satisfied customer will tell one person about his experience with service, but an unhappy one will tell 10 people about his bad one? That's why you think there are so many people frustrated with FP.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> The same FP that I'm using is available to everyone equally. << Well, almost. It's fair to everyone who gets to the park at rope drop. If you come into the park later in the day, you're more likely to lose out, even if you understand the system. I would make an argument that FastPass shouldn't even be available for the first hour or two of the day. People who arrive early can usually get on what they want to ride WITHOUT having to do FastPass. Start issuing FP's 2 hours after park open.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost OK, let me rephrase this and I will use the grape and grocery store story line. If you went into a store and paid for the grapes and when you got to the display area they were all out you would have a reason to be upset. Now, put that same thing on the Disney scenario. You paid for a day in Disney. With the exception of the different new ticket rate structure everyone paid the same thing. Now a group of people are making you wait in line because they were all out of FP's, no matter when they ran out, the people going ahead of you paid the same thing to get in and now they, because of the luck of the draw, are forging ahead of you. Their time is no more valuable then yours is so, what's the deal. Why are they allowed to go? What if everyone got to the FP kiosk at the same time in the morning? Would everyone there be able to get one? No, they would not. It wouldn't be possible and it wasn't designed to give everyone equal opportunity to obtain one. It's all well and good to say that everyone has the same opportunity to get a FP but logic will tell you that it just isn't true, in a psycological sense. As is anything we humans do, we quickly forget the degree of frustration we felt because it is over ridden by the enjoyment we experienced once we "got there". Suffice it to say that I know that this problem will never be solved in an equitable manner. I would not be nearly as against it if they charged for it then I can say, what the heck, they paid extra for the perk and I could have if I wanted too. I'm good with that. And I remember when the gate would open and people made a mad dash, mostly for Space Mountain at that time. If I chose to do the same, OK, if not then after that the line kept moving and it had no stops to let others in front. I had no problem with that. If Disney's intent was to get you to buy stuff while you wait then the coupon on the back is a great idea. You can use it until it is time to ride then you give it back. That's a way to pay extra without really paying extra. Love the idea. Wish I was CEO.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy As it is now, FastPass favors the people who already get to the park early. And it's not a fair answer to simply tell people "get to the park earlier."
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> It was nice seeing you tonight ssWEDguy. Most enjoyable talk << Agreed. Good discussion, and let's do it again. Stay in touch.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost And danyoung, I haven't used words like "ridiculous" while debating this. My opinion is no more ridiculous than anyone else's.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I still believe FP is more than fair on most playing fields - >> absolutely agreed. Everyone can get them.....if I choose to get to the park for opening and get a FP, that's my right. if you choose to sleep in, that's your right. This is kinda like saying "It isn't fair that you only had a 10 minute wait for EE because you got here at rope drop, and I had a 60 minute wait because I got there at noon."
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I would make an argument that FastPass shouldn't even be available for the first hour or two of the day. People who arrive early can usually get on what they want to ride WITHOUT having to do FastPass.>> That's not a half-bad idea. I kinda like it.
