Originally Posted By t1lersm0m I have asked this question in the other thread and never got an answer. How often, aside from holidays, are fast passes for certain attractions such as Soarin' or Test track, gone early in the day? And as I also said in the other thread, a lot of people leave the parks earlier than park closing, so those of you that don't get there for rope drop get the advantage of a less crowded park at the end of the night. We went to DAK for an hour at the end of the day in 2004. We did two major attractions and one walking path (the one near Kilimanjaro Safaris). We could have done more if the three attractions weren't so far apart.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> And it's not a fair answer to simply tell people "get to the park earlier." << Look. I'm honestly trying to figure out how to get my whole family onto Expedition Everest one time, one day, ANY day during our visit to Orlando. The age range of our family is children through my mom who is 78 and walks slowly. Because of that, we can't automatically have everyone at the park at rope drop, and we can't wait in line for hours. FP's are the answer to avoid the multi-hour wait. But how do I get FP's for ANY time and on ANY day if they're gone by the time I can get to the park? Any ideas?
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<But how do I get FP's for ANY time and on ANY day if they're gone by the time I can get to the park? Any ideas?>> What time are you getting to the park? Has anyone on here meantioned whether or not FP for EE is running out early?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> if you choose to sleep in << Please don't assume that people just choose to sleep in. Some people are older and NEED to sleep later. Not everyone is as spry or automatically resilient as you make them sound.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m ^^Actually, MOST of the older people I know are up MUCH MUCH earlier than me!!!
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m My grandmother who passed away last year was up at 5:30-6:00 every day. I don't get up until 8 or 9 if I have nowhere to go.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> those of you that don't get there for rope drop get the advantage of a less crowded park at the end of the night. << I admit this is true for places like the MK that stay open until midnight sometimes. I do use the less busy times at night to advantage. DAK closes much earlier.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> What time are you getting to the park? << Let me ask this. Is there a way to tell what the FP situation is for an attraction BEFORE you enter a park? Once I'm in, I'm committed. And that's too late to find out that FP's are gone. ----------------- I seem to keep coming back to the issue that's stated in the name of this thread. I'd like to be able to book an FP just one day in advance. That way I know I've got one for next day, and we can all plan to be there. And ONE is all I want.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<If you went into a store and paid for the grapes and when you got to the display area they were all out you would have a reason to be upset. Now, put that same thing on the Disney scenario. You paid for a day in Disney.>> Faulty analogy. You paid for a day at Disney, and you are getting a day at Disney. You are also still getting to ride whatever attraction you want, albeit you may only have the option of going on it stand-by. But it isn't being denied you. If there was no FP at all and you got to the park in the afternoon, it's likely you would still wait a long time for a popular ride. <<It's all well and good to say that everyone has the same opportunity to get a FP>> Imagine the scenario without FP. Everyone has the opportunity to get to the park early, yes? But some people don't, for whatever reason. It doesn't really matter the reason; some people only had to wait 10 minutes instead of 100 minutes to ride the same attraction. Is that fair, pyshologically speaking?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy And I'll give you one more variation. I'm willing to get to the park at rope drop and get the FP's for my party. I can run over at 9:01 to get the FP's, (which I would still prefer to be for the afternoon rather than right away in the morning, which the first FP's will be for anyway.) But I can only get FP's for the rest of my party if they are all already in the park, and I've got all their tickets.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy It comes down to this. I don't really use FP much. I don't really want to change what is. I just want to be able to get my family onto EE at one time during their visit, without the multi-hour wait. If you can help me figure a way to do this, then I'll drop the whole FP issue.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<how do I get FP's for ANY time and on ANY day if they're gone by the time I can get to the park?>> The answer is: you don't. You _must_ to make a commintment to be there early. If this entire discusion about fairness is to answer your one situation, look at it this way. If there were no FP, how long do you suppose you would wait for EE, with no other factors changed? If you get to the park late, the EE line would _still_ be long... you are not gonna get on EE in 5-10 minutes anyway!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I just want to be able to get my family onto EE at one time during their visit, without the multi-hour wait.>> Go to AK in the morning, alone. Buy all the passports you need for you family. Enter AK. Insert all passes into the FP machine. Leave AK, go get your family, return to AK in time for your FP reservation.
Originally Posted By CMDad <<If you went into a store and paid for the grapes and when you got to the display area they were all out you would have a reason to be upset. Now, put that same thing on the Disney scenario. You paid for a day in Disney.>> Not a valid comparison. You are paying for admission to the park, not a Fastpass. You do not pay for admission to a grocery store. You pay for the grapes when you receive them. You are paying for admission to the attractions, which you have regardless of having a FP or not. If the grocery store advertised a "Special to the first 100 customers asking for it" no one would compalin. Disney is doing the same thing.
Originally Posted By CMDad FP is an extra perk - NOT something that you are paying for with your admission
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>You are paying for admission to the park, not a Fastpass. You do not pay for admission to a grocery store. You pay for the grapes when you receive them.<<< For crying out loud...I know that! I was just trying, obviously unsuccessfully, to use that comparison. I didn't initiate it, someone else did. What I said was...What if??? If anyone would have bothered to read the entire post, I believe I said that there was no way that this "difference of opinion" was going to be resolved so that both sides are happy. So why bother to continue to debate it. We are just saying the same things over and over again. Disney will either keep it or let it go. Right now it's advertising PR value is probably far more valuable then the actual reality value. If it stays, it stays...if it goes, it goes. I will continue to go to WDW for as long as I enjoy it. So far I still do. But like those that fixate on cleanliness, CM attitudes, etc. I personally don't like it. I've tried it, I use it on occasion but I don't like it "overall". Everyone else is free to do or feel whatever they please. Have a magical day!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> The answer is: you don't. You _must_ to make a commitment to be there early. << Ok. But then people ask "Why isn't it fair?" It isn't fair for this reason -- You have to be there early. So if that's it, that's it. FP favors the people who are aggressive about going after it. If you're not willing to be aggressive, Standby is it. So I'm just trying to make the Standby shorter by limiting what I would at least would define as FP excesses.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> If there were no FP << Then at least everyone's wait would be the same (for the time of day that you go). If there were no FP there would be no aggressive types passing me by in line, because I choose not to compete with the aggressive types while on vacation. My choice? Yes. According to the current rules? Yes. But unfair? Yes. (As determined by my upper midWest upbringing) Aggressiveness is surely awarded in life. But I always figured Disney to be about more than that. (Regarding the guest experience) Vacations with family are about experience and enjoyment together. It shouldn't be about how much can be done in a limited time frame. (Which I used to do when I was younger -- and do less of now) ------------------ On a similar note, I take issue with people that are videocamming everything they do when on vacation. I know from experience that if you spend too much time BEHIND the camera on a vacation, you'll miss a lot of the vacation. You're left with hopefully being able to catch up on "what you did" when you get the pictures back later. What a shame.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<FP favors the people who are aggressive about going after it. If you're not willing to be aggressive, Standby is it.>> And that is different than getting to the park early... how? <<I'm just trying to make the Standby shorter>> Which would *never* happen on a new, high-profile E-ticket like EE. Even if FP didn't exist, the line is going to be long, so if you plan on being there later in the day, you would still have to wait!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> "Special to the first 100 customers asking for it" << So is this what Disney has accomplished with FP? These kinds of promotions are for getting people to be the first in the door.
