Originally Posted By CMDad No - it is to get people in the door - the shopkeeper doesn't care if they are first or not.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy <<FP favors the people who are aggressive about going after it. If you're not willing to be aggressive, Standby is it.>> THIS IS TRUE >> And that is different than getting to the park early... how? << I PERSONALLY GO TO THE PARKS EARLY -- YES. BUT I CAN'T ASK MY WHOLE EXTENDED FAMILY TO BE AS AGGRESSIVE JUST TO GET US ALL ON EE AT THE SAME TIME. Please explain your rejoinder. I honestly missed the point of the response.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss You can't seem to wrap you head around the fact that FP or no FP, you would never get on EE in 10 minutes if you saunter into the park in the afternoon. Did you bother to read my earlier suggestion? Here it is, again: Go to AK in the morning, by yourself. Buy all the passes for your fanily (is it seven? doesns't matter.) Use one to get in. Go to EE, insert all seven passes. (make sure you have enough time between the FP time and the time you can get back.) Leave the park, go get your family, come back in time for the FP reservation. Problem solved.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy <<I'm just trying to make the Standby shorter>> My argument requires that you accept the fact that ANY form of FP automatically makes any Standby line "longer." (On a very busy ride) If you don't accept that I can't say much more. ------------------- EG. Say 1000 people can ride in 1 hour. Say Disney has decided that 200 of those are FP, 800 Standby. In this mode the Standby line will operate stop/start/stop/start. If there were no FP at all, all 1000 would be Standby, and the line would move continuously. No stop/start/stop/start. If 100 of the 200 FP's were NOT CLAIMED, then 900 Standby people could get through in the first hour instead of 800. In this mode the extra 100 Standby people would have gotten on the ride in the first hour. If FP had consumed all of their allocated 200, then those 100 people would have jad to wait until the second hour. So, FP EXTENDS Standby lines.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> it is to get people in the door - the shopkeeper doesn't care if they are first or not. << Partly. Part of it IS to get people in earlier. Without a promotion or some special reason people don't always crowd a store at opening time.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Sorry for the caps. It looks a lot worse when I see the caps after posting than it did when I was typing. Don't mean to yell.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Buy all the passes for your fanily (is it seven? doesns't matter.) Use one to get in. Go to EE, insert all seven passes. << Close, but no cigar. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to have this work. We'd be done here. But it doesn't work. The FP machines will only work on passes that have been scanned into the park at the turnstiles. If I go in by myself and carry 6 other passes, the FP machine will only honor mine. All 7 people have to come into the park with me. After that point they don't have to race over to the FP machine, true. But they have to be in the park. Jeez, I wish you were right on this and I could just do that.
Originally Posted By CMDad <<Buy all the passes for your fanily (is it seven? doesns't matter.) Use one to get in. Go to EE, insert all seven passes. (make sure you have enough time between the FP time and the time you can get back.) Leave the park, go get your family, come back in time for the FP reservation. >> Won't work - if the ticket isn't used to enter the park it wont cause a FP to be issued.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that FP or no FP, you would never get on EE in 10 minutes if you saunter into the park in the afternoon << Please. Never said that. re-read what I've written. I want a FP for ANY predictable time, for ANY day of my vacation. Even if that time and date were days away. But I can't do that. I have to get a FP on the particular day I'm there. And for that day only. And to do that I have to get there early and run. And all my party must be in the park. And using terms like "saunter" don't help the discussion.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<My argument requires that you accept the fact that ANY form of FP automatically makes any Standby line "longer." (On a very busy ride)>> My argument requires that you accept the fact that on a very busy, NEW E-Tcket like EE, you are automatically going to have a long wait in line, regardless of whether or not it had FP. Remember when Indy at DL first opened? FP didn't exist then. Just how long where the lines? Hours and hours! If you got to the park at 2:00pm in the afternoon, what do you suppose would be the chance of riding within 15 minutes? 30 minutes? One hour? Two hours? The answer? NONE! you got there too late! So it is with EE. If you aren't going to use my suggestion, then you are merely p*****g in the wind.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Won't work - if the ticket isn't used to enter the park it wont cause a FP to be issued.>> I stand corrected. I did not know that. Doesn't change the other stuff I said though.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> on a very busy, NEW E-Tcket like EE, you are automatically going to have a long wait in line, regardless of whether or not it had FP. << But if you've got that FastPass, you CAN get on in minutes, even a ride with a many hour Standby wait. I understand. So how do I get a FastPass for my group of 7, besides the rope drop rush for us all? ----- Since we're exploring possible ideas, here's one. I could simply wait a few years when EE is not so busy. And maybe that's the answer. ----- I repeat. I don't use FP often. I don't need to. I don't really care about changes to the FP system. I really don't. I'm just trying to get something like an FP for my party for a single use, without having to join the morning rush. If it can't be done, it can't be done. Maybe my answer is to get to know someone in Guest Relations to get some anytime FP passes.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <As it is now, FastPass favors the people who already get to the park early. And it's not a fair answer to simply tell people "get to the park earlier." < Staying employed requires getting to work on time.....those who get there late end up unemployed. If you go to a concert with general seating, those who get there late sit in the back those who get to an auction earlier get to bid on the first items, they don't wait for everyone to arrive those who go to sign up for classes earlier at college get the classes they want- those who get there later take electives like Applied Latin in Economics this list could go on forever It is fair at 9:00 AM for every single person -- if someone chooses a different alternative time..for whatever reason under their control or not - the parks mimic life and 100's more examples like I have above... in the grand scheme of life -- this is more fair than 90% of the world around us. It doesn't matter if you're tall or short, what race / religion you are, what sex you are, or how much money you have/ it doesn't matter what level of education you have / married or single - if you are at the freakin' park at 9:00 your chances are the same..this is pretty darn fair. they aren;t many things in this world anywhere near as fair
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Selah. Yea, yea. It shall be so. (And I mean this in a complementary way)
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy So why do we discuss this so much? Truth to tell, nothing much of what we say has much of a change to change anything. You know what it is for me? It's the give and take of the discussion and arguments that generates new ideas. The most wonderful thing you can do is to create a new possibility where one didn't exist before. You don't have to be right. You don't have to be able to convince someone else that they're wrong. You don't even have to be able to change their mind. Just the generation of the new thing. And it can come from any pont in a discussion.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy By the way -- Even though it sounds like a good idea -- the notion of maybe not even opening the FP machines until maybe 2 hours into any given day probably wouldn't be a good thing either. I can see now people getting in line at rope drop to sit for 2 hours in the FP line to be the first one's to get a FP.
