Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney Hey, I'm a little late, what do you guys think about FP? Is it good or bad? Both? Is it fair? Or not? Does it aid tourists at the expense of APers and locals? Will Disney ever make it a pay service or offer a premium version? Does FP cause global warming? Is it the reason the Cubs never win the World Series? Is it the reason why I like pepperoni on my pizza? Is it a conspiracy by the evildoers to take WDW away from us? Oh, in case you were wondering, I don't really want answers to any of these questions. Just felt like I was missing out on something all the cool kids were discussing!
Originally Posted By schoolsinger Is fastpass fair? That is debatable. Is the fastpass system as fair as the old everyone waits in the normal line system? That answer is clearly a “noâ€.
Originally Posted By CMDad Is it clear to everyone or just those who disagree with FP? It is not clear to me that it is not as fair.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Luv -- everything else has been blamed for holding my poor Cubs back-- maybe it is that darn FP
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney I forgot you were the Cubs fan here, vbdad55. I have a very good friend who lives and dies with them. The past three years have been the worst. First, the Marlins beat his Cubbies en route to the Championship. Then the Red Sox break their curse. And, worst, the White Sox do likewise last year. He hasn't recovered from last year. And tough to see D-Lee out of your lineup. Great player.
Originally Posted By CMDad vbdad55 - in 1969 ... did the Mets win the pennant or the Cubs blow it? <G>
Originally Posted By schoolsinger I noticed a significant difference between the standby line and the fastpass “virtual queueâ€. Spots in a standby line don’t “run outâ€. You can get into a normal line up until right before the park closes. And once you are in line, they don’t kick you out even when after park closes. With the current fastpass system you can’t get into the virtual queue right up until the park closes. They run out early. While people can argue that general information about how fastpass works is readily available in the park maps, many people (especially first timers) don’t realize, that the fastpasses can run out early, and assume they have the whole day to get into this virtual line just like the regular lines.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <vbdad55 - in 1969 ... did the Mets win the pennant or the Cubs blow it? <G>< Although many people say the Cubs lost it...the Mets won 100 games...and it that era that was very strong...they played like 700 baseball the last few months, in my opinion it was the Mets year and they won it... Now in 1984 the Cubs 'lost it' to thePadres...although MLB had a lot to do with that. To refresh everyones memory- the Cubs were to be the home team in that series with the Padres - 2 games at SD then 3 in Chicago -- but MLB changed the series for TV ( no lights at Wrigley yet) - and the home team won every game....
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I forgot you were the Cubs fan here, vbdad55. I have a very good friend who lives and dies with them. The past three years have been the worst. First, the Marlins beat his Cubbies en route to the Championship. Then the Red Sox break their curse. And, worst, the White Sox do likewise last year. He hasn't recovered from last year. And tough to see D-Lee out of your lineup. Great player. < anyone but D Lee -- not only offense but his defense - best player on the team -- but just won again tonight - now 12 - 7 , and if they can hang around for 3 or so more weeks- will get Kerry Wood ( 2 weeks) - and Mark Prior ( 4 weeks) back -- along with a rehabed Wade Miller.( June 1) - add Maddux and Zambrano and the best bullpen in Ntl league -- and we'll be OK -- a lot of ifs though-- and D Lee back after All Star game approx.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Meanwhile - back to FP -- although I believe it is very fair, tweaking it some is certainly OK --
Originally Posted By danyoung >And danyoung, I haven't used words like "ridiculous" while debating this. My opinion is no more ridiculous than anyone else's.< Sorry you took offense - "ridiculous" is a strong word, but it's what I feel about your opinion in this matter. I would never call YOU rididculous - just your words (how's that for a non-apology apology? ).
Originally Posted By danyoung > It isn't fair for this reason -- You have to be there early.< I'm just not believing that EE is running out of tickets by 10am every day. You have a better chance if you go early, but I'm betting there are still plenty left by noon. If you're going to saunter in at 3pm and expect to get the benefit, well that's just an unreasonable expectation.
Originally Posted By danyoung Sorry, hadn't yet read your objection to the word "saunter". But the thought still applies. Even without FP you family would be waiting 60-90 minutes if they showed up later in the day. It used to be that my only shot at riding Space or Splash was during that rope drop run. Now I can enjoy them later in the day without a wait. Works for me.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I'm just not believing that EE is running out of tickets by 10am every day. << You're probably right on this. Maybe it's the unknown of when they will run out that is the issue for me. Your chances of getting a FP at all for a given day is improved the earlier you go. And depending on how busy the day is the later you go into the park the greater the chance of not getting one at all. It would be interesting to know specifically when FP's run out at Soarin' during the busy weeks, wouldn't it? I don't know the times. I just know they do run out.
Originally Posted By CMDad <<Although many people say the Cubs lost it...the Mets won 100 games...and it that era that was very strong...they played like 700 baseball the last few months, in my opinion it was the Mets year and they won it...>> Ahhh ... an intelligent Cubs fan! <G> (In case you haven't figured it out, I have been a Mets fan since the Feb 1961 announcement that the Continental League would not ever play a game and that the NL would admit the NY team from that league to start play in 1962 - to replace my now departed Brooklyn Dodgers)
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<But I can't do that. I have to get a FP on the particular day I'm there. And for that day only. And to do that I have to get there early and run. And all my party must be in the park. And using terms like "saunter" don't help the discussion.>> I have asked this question several times, and no one has answered me. Has fast pass run out for EE? If so, what time is it typically running out? If you get to the park at 3 PM, and expect to be able to get a FP for 4 PM for a brand new E ticket, that won't happen. But if you get to the park at noon, and can get a FP for 4 PM, wouldn't that make you happy? Are you taking your family to the park during a busy time? you're a CM, right? Isn't it a slow period from now until the middle of June or so, when kids start getting out of school and decending upon WDW?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Ahhh ... an intelligent Cubs fan! <G> (In case you haven't figured it out, I have been a Mets fan since the Feb 1961 announcement that the Continental League would not ever play a game and that the NL would admit the NY team from that league to start play in 1962 - to replace my now departed Brooklyn Dodgers)< There are plenty of us -- forget the image put out there by soome goofs in the media and the 20 or so real Sox fans who jealously say, those are Wrigley just go to party. The fact of the matter is most Cub fans I know are long time Cub fans and we do support the team, win or lose...I see nothing wrong with that. Our day will come...and I do believe they have had some bad luck- ( like D Lee this year - ( and now it appears Michael Barrett might have broken a finger on a slide yesterday as it was 30 degrees during the game) - but it is what it is. No one was catching the Mets in '69 -- and yes we had 7 all stars on the 69 team, but also no one picked them to win more than 100 games which it wouldhave taken either...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Are you taking your family to the park during a busy time? you're a CM, right? Isn't it a slow period from now until the middle of June or so, when kids start getting out of school and decending upon WDW?< we go this time every year - and this year is no exception. It is not a crazy time, but slower probably not right either ---
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> But if you get to the park at noon, and can get a FP for 4 PM, wouldn't that make you happy? << Yes. Is this whole discussion going to turn out to be just that simple?
