Originally Posted By CMDad <<There are plenty of us -- forget the image put out there by soome goofs in the media and the 20 or so real Sox fans who jealously say, those are Wrigley just go to party. The fact of the matter is most Cub fans I know are long time Cub fans and we do support the team, win or lose...I see nothing wrong with that.>> I totally agree. I am the first to admit that Cubs fans may be the most loyal fans there are. (I used to be able to say that about Mets fans, but this MTV generation doesn't have the advantage of being able to be loyal to a team which doesn't stay together very long any more as teams did when I was younger ... loved the reserve clause <G>) Okay ... back to FP!
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey In case anyone is looking for it, I've brought in a club so you all can continue to beat this dead horse. Once we've finished with that, why don't we start another refillable mug debate? ;-)
Originally Posted By CMM1 Somebody asked the question "Why Fastpass?" IMO: 1. It gives Disney a marketing tool that other resorts/parks do not: "You don't have to wait in line with Fastpass!" OK - so the small print doesn't mention that you will wait in a longer standby line if you don't have an FP! 2. For the guest that wants to ensure they get on the big name attractions, it kind of guarantees that they can get on at least one or two of those attractions during a visit. Get an FP for one of the big ones, get another FP for another as soon as you can and so on. It may not mean that you don't have to get there sometime in the morning to get an FP before they are all gone but that's a persons own choice when they arrive. 3. There is certainly a number of guests for whom the expense of a Disney resort vacation is not a concern who would no doubt pay for any kind of service that would minimize their waiting in lines - Universal sells such "front-of-line" services but the price is very high. It is very hard to say if Disney guests unable to purchase such a service would find disfavor with or be resentful to Disney guests that had an obvious advantage in terms of not having to wait in lines. Judging by the number of posters on any thread involving Fastpass, the topic certainly seems to move a lot of people to speak their mind about it. So it must have some effect on park guests.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<Yes. Is this whole discussion going to turn out to be just that simple?>> I don't know. Being a CM, don't you have inside info on whether or not FP for EE is running out, and at what time of day. Or am I mistaken, and you're not a CM? I thought I read that you were. You don't have any friends/coworkers that work at DAK?
Originally Posted By danyoung >In case anyone is looking for it, I've brought in a club so you all can continue to beat this dead horse.< I know you were sorta kidding, but I have to say that it bothers me when people want to squash a topic just because they feel it's been fully explored in the past. Many people here may be addressing this topic for the first time. I know I've been in the middle of many FP discussions, but I still enjoy batting the ball around. This topic as gone on for 128 messages with no signs of slowing down, so I'm guessing there's still interest. Don't mean to be rude - just venting a bit.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost The problem is that a lot of it has been about the Cubs. I don't think they have a FP machine.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney The Cubs are more interesting than FastPass. Hell, the D-Rays are more interesting than FP. Now, back to the original topic ... does anyone think FP is the reason gas is so expensive?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Being a CM, don't you have inside info on whether or not FP for EE is running out, and at what time of day. Or am I mistaken, and you're not a CM? << "Insider" information at Disney is kept very private -- not even shared among CM's -- unless you're salaried. And then you still need to be on the "need to know" list. Yes, you can find things out if you make friends in strategic places. But not everyone is that lucky. It would probably be easier simply to measure for yourself when FP's ran out at an attraction on a given week.
Originally Posted By NJFIREGUY Ok I got this....In Order to make Fast Pass Fair. First to Avoid getting Closed out of the fast pass machines...I would install a second line to the FP Dispensers...you will get a Pass in the hotel lobby with a time frame for which you may you the fast pass Dispensers in the parks. this will be "FASTER PASS" But this will casue a line at the machines in the resorts so we will need to install dispensers at the Magical Express Counter at the Airport. These Machines will give you a Pass for when you may use the machines at your resort and will be "Fastest Pass" BUT....You can only use the Dispensers at the Magical Express counter during the time alotted to you from a Pass you will print from your personal computer this will be the "Surpass Fast Pass, Pass" and can only be issued if you know the "Fast Pass Password" Which you can only get by going to "Bypass Fast Pass.Com" and paying $100.00...Which is Disney's New "Fast Cash for Fast Pass" Program. See I just made it fair and it only cost you a Hundred bucks. Or we could just leave it the way it is
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Good discussion. But I'm going to come back to what I think FP is all about. I believe that it is to "Give everyone who visits a Disney park a chance to bypass at least one long line each day." And if this is true, then we have to talk about what is "fair" when it comes to obtaining FP's on a given day. As another poster has pointed out, FP's DO automatically lengthen Standby lines, but probably not by a lot. And the psychology of getting a line bypass outweighs the overall longer Standby matter. The FP system works well enough. I think leaving it alone, with existing technology in place is the best thing for all. ------------- However, I would STILL limit the number of uses per person, per day per park to 2. Simple enough to do, with the existing machines. ------------- It has been suggested that most people already don't get 2 FP's per day. That most often FP's don't run out until at least mid-afternoon. And that you "just have to get their earlier to get a FP." Maybe all this is true. But when I'm a guest in the park and in a long Standby Line I don't KNOW that "most persons don't use more than 2 FP's per day." It would help me psychologically to BE ASSURED that that was true. Otherwise I start thinking "those kids bypassing me probably have gotten a fistful of FP's today while I stand here." ------------------ And then we still have the start/stop/start/stop of the Standby line to deal with.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy So "A max of 2 FP's per person per day." Shouldn't hurt anyone. But will benefit everyone psychologically. So what's the harm?
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m Seriously, you had to open yet ANOTHER thread on this subject? Sorry, I'm not starting all over again, which is basically what you are doing each time you start a new thread. I could see if you wanted to rehash this in a month, but for the same poster to open THREE threads on the same subject is getting really annoying.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I could see if you wanted to rehash this in a month, but for the same poster to open THREE threads on the same subject is getting really annoying << You know what annoys me? People who are anal retentive enough to insist that the world circulate around the way they think it should work. I think some level of spontaneity and difference in this world is a good thing. If you don't want to respond to a third thread (which is quite cleverly named, I might add) then don't. I don't care to know the reasons why you think it's stupid. ----------------- Now, the reason for the THIRD thread is (1) To RECAP -- Buried down 131 posts deep, no one will read a recap there the same way. (2) To RESTATE and HIGHLIGHT my simple premise -- "A maximum of 2 FP's per person per day" -- Can people tell me specifically why 2 FP's max is a bad thing? (3) Quite possibly because I simply like to do things differently than most people. Why? Just because. Did you know that I wear my watch on my right wrist, even though I am right-handed? Did you know that I clip my ballpoint pen to my undershirt collar or behind my necktie instead of on my shirt pocket like everyone else? Did you know that choose to park my car at the Target lot in a farther away spot? That I don't circulate up front near the entry waiting for someone to leave just to get a close to the door parking space? I'm figuring knowing this now probably annoys you too.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I'm guessing it irritates you too when someone posts more than once in a thread without waiting for someone else to respond.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m ^^No, I actually do that quite often. I will read through a thread, and respond to posts individually. then I come upon another post by someone else, or the same person, and will respond to that post. I'm not going to read 40 posts in a thread, and respond to 10 of those posts all in one post. And I didn't say this was stupid, which is YOUR word, I said it was annoying. << I think some level of spontaneity and difference in this world is a good thing.>> Opening three threads on teh same subject in the span of a few days is not spontaneous, it is redundant. There is a BIG difference between the two words.
