Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>59 posts on Fast Pass pros & Cons?! Really? Disney isn't going to get rid of the system people. Get over it! Now someone start a churros thread & move on...<<< Oh, you are so wrong red rider. If Fastpass became a bigger pain in the butt and expense then it already is..they would drop it like yesterdays news. Don't kid yourself. I'm not saying that anything we say here will have any influence, but believe me it could be gone in an instant and someone at corporate will be talking about how much money and aggravation that they saved the company and then question when they will get their next million dollar a year raise. Personally...I think it is getting close to that point.
Originally Posted By CDF1 Won't it actually cost substantial money now to reverse all of the changes made in the attraction lines to accomodate Fastpass? Seems like the investment made to this point is something they might now be willing to throw away particularly since they have marketed Fastpass so extensively ..... Also, seems like when Disney thinks they want to boost resort attendance they go for something more like discount dining plans or ticket plans to allow for cheaper park-hopper versus one-park only tickets. Fastpass is a nice carrot once you have guests at the resort but it might not be enough of a perceived value to make a difference between going on a WDW vacation or not compared to real savings in terms of something like reduced meal plan costs.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost No, they could actually easily change the Fastpass lines to single rider or just raise or lower a chain to make it part of the regular line. It would be a nice perk if it were just for resort guests, but it isn't so it really has no bearing on resort bookings at all. Now that it has been discovered that someone has been counterfeiting the Fastpasses...it might be enough to make them think about it.
Originally Posted By CDF1 Counterfeit Fastpasses doesn't cost Disney anything, correct? You still have to have a park ticket to be able to use any type of Fastpass, be it legit or counterfeit. So why should they care? It would only matter if people were getting additional Fastpasses as official perks or actually paying Disney for them, right?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost ^^^They don't care because of upfront expenses, it's more the additional cost of policing the situation to keep guest unrest at a minimum. It comes under the pain in the butt column.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Besides it causes a disruption in the system, that just barely works anyway. It doesn't take much to carry it over the top.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 What counterfeit FP's cost is longer wait times for both Standby and FP lines. Extra FP upset the system of balances that supposidly are in place. Plus Disney knows that many of those fake FP's were sold online. And yes Disney cares.
Originally Posted By CDF1 You would have to have hundreds of counterfeit FPs used at the same time to create any appreciable and noticeable impact to the wait times for a particular attraction. The same type of fluctuation in line times could seemingly occur now since it has been reported many tmes that cast members do not enforce the back end of the Fastpass window. So it hardly seems that a few counterfeit FPs would create a situation that would bring down the system as it exists. Now, from a Disney operations and security perspective, the important question might be how such confidential information regarding media such as a Fastpass could be generated as this type of breach might eventually include counterfeit park tickets which would seem to be the more important concern.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Counterfeit park tickets have always been a problem and continue to be today. Currently there are tickets coming from the 192/I-Drive area that are coded and work in the turnstiles except the bio read doesnt. It is a big problem for Disney. The reason that Disney is concerned about fake FP's is that this isnt a situation where they were seeing one a day but many a day and yes it was a problem. Also, most of the fake FP's were believed to have come from ebay which meant that guests were paying to get them. More importantly, Disney wanted to make sure that it they made it known that they were onto the problem and taking steps. Not allowing a guest to use the fake FP was only a first step. Disney also was aggressive with shutting down sellers of FP's including those on ebay. The first fake FP's were very crude and easy to spot. Many of them were made from a different type of paper stock and the colors bled. Over time they became harder to spot. The new FP machines seems to have slowed the problem, but it still is a concern. A couple of years back there was a lot of talk about scanning in returning FP guests. I am not sure where that stands now. I think Disney's position has been to stamp down hard at the outset to discourage a growing problem.
