Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>SG, buddy, I know it completely unusual for us to disagree on something (!), but for me EE is MUCH more intense than BTMRR, especially the backwards...<< Body weight also figures in the equation. The heavier you are, the stronger the G forces will be.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Body weight also figures in the equation. The heavier you are, the stronger the G forces will be. << Cheap Shot taken against the Mighty Texan by TDLFAN!
Originally Posted By sherrytodd HEYYYYY!!!!! I'm not a big person and I felt pretty strong g forces. I'll be over here pouting--->
Originally Posted By christiemarsh88 <<<Before Tuesday's death, at least 15 people had died at Disney's theme parks in Florida and California since 1989, some with previous health conditions.>>> Apparantly, someone forgot to tell MSNBC that *nobody* dies at a Disney park--they wait unti they're off property to pronounce.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I'll take your word for it -- I'm a pretty slim guy. ;-)<< Trust me. I know that all too well...
Originally Posted By danyoung >Cheap Shot taken against the Mighty Texan by TDLFAN!< An obvious attempt at humor from a feeble mind. TDLFAN knows that I think fat jokes are cheap shots - that's why he does 'em. Just shows a cheap mind to go with the cheap shots. And no, weight has nothing to do with g forces.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << And no, weight has nothing to do with g forces. >> Since weight is a measure of force already, that is true. However, g-forces are a measure of acceleration and not related to mass (which most people incorrectly describe as weight). However, the force a body feels as a result is the product of mass and acceleration, so body mass does factor in at some point.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Based on my physics teacher back in high school.. it does. Reason why I mentioned it. Then again, I never cared for those incidentals as long as I am thoroughly entertained. ..and yes Danno, I am cheap. You'd like that.
Originally Posted By twirlnhurl At the moment the ride makes one's stomach feel weird, it is actually the least intense part of the ride. That feeling in one's stomach is the feeling of weightlessness, or the feeling of no external force on the body. Space Mountain and Splash Mountain are the only rides at WDW that have moments like that. Everest is more intense then BTMRR (the backwards section has a prolonged moment of some somewhat strong g forces. However, Everest is not as intense as Space Mountain, Rockn' Rollercoaster, and the non-rollercoaster, Tower of Terror.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> However, g-forces are a measure of acceleration and not related to mass (which most people incorrectly describe as weight). However, the force a body feels as a result is the product of mass and acceleration, so body mass does factor in at some point. << Sorry, I stumbled onto a Discussion Forum on Physics. I was looking for some simple minded Disney Geeks!
Originally Posted By brotherdave Everest does pull some pretty strong positive G's during the backwards helix. I've ridden many coasters across the country, and, although it's far from the wildest coaster ever built, that backwards section is probably one of the most intense coaster experiences found at WDW. Only RnRC is probably more intense. Space Mountain and Big Thunder don't even come close to the intensity that that backwards helix of EE produces. However, when compared to the coasters at most other parks around the world, Everest is rather mild. Regardless of what caused it or how it happened, my sympathies go out to that man and his family, especially this time of year.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Space Mountain and Big Thunder don't even come close to the intensity that that backwards helix of EE produces. >> Come to think of it, the backwards portion probably disappointed me the most. It was just too smooth, regardless of the number of Gs -- not much of a shock to the system.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd No big surprise, but the preliminary autopsy is calling the death natural... <a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_dade/story/350673.html" target="_blank">http://www.miamiherald.com/new s/breaking_dade/story/350673.html</a> "ORLANDO -- The Expedition Everest Ride at Disney's Animal Kingdom reopened after an inspection determined it was operating properly; preliminary autopsy results indicated that a man who died after riding the roller coaster died of natural causes. Jeffery Reeb, 44, of Navarre, was pulled unresponsive from the Expedition Everest ride about 12:50 p.m. Tuesday. Reeb had a pre-existing heart condition that caused his death, a medical examiner said Wednesday. Deputies said Reeb appeared to be conscious 50 seconds before the ride ended, because his photograph was taken then. He was administered CPR by Reedy Creek Emergency Services and pronounced dead at Celebration Hospital. Everest debuted in 2006, simulating a runaway train ride through the Himalayas. Riders meet a giant animatronic yeti, traveling both forward and back to avoid the monster and the train tracks it mangled. The ride reopened Tuesday afternoon after an inspection found it was operating properly."
Originally Posted By sherrytodd And it appears he had a prior history of cardiac problems... <a href="http://www.local6.com/news/14889684/detail.html" target="_blank">http://www.local6.com/news/148 89684/detail.html</a> "Autopsy: Disney Rider Died Of Natural Causes Man Had History Of Cardiac Arrhythmias, Officials Say POSTED: 11:50 am EST December 19, 2007 UPDATED: 12:29 pm EST December 19, 2007 A 44-year-old man who was found unresponsive Tuesday on a roller coaster at Walt Disney World's Animal Kingdom died of natural causes, according to the medical examiner who performed an autopsy on the man's body. Jeffery Reeb, of Navarre, Fla., died from dilated cardiomyopathy, an abnormality of the heart muscle that causes the heart to enlarge and dilate, and no evidence of injury was discovered, the medical examiner said. Reeb had a known history of cardiac arrhythmias, officials said. Reeb was discovered unresponsive in the unloading area of Expedition Everest, a thrill ride that reaches speeds of 50 mph and features an 80-foot drop, officials said. Reeb was transported to Celebration Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Orange County sheriff's investigators said that Reeb appeared to be conscious about 50 seconds before the conclusion of the ride because his photograph was taken as the coaster progressed toward the unloading area. The ride was inspected and was found to be operating properly. The ride was closed following the incident but reopened on Wednesday. "We offer the family our deepest sympathies and will provide assistance to them during this difficult time," Disney representative Andrea Finger said. "
Originally Posted By sherrytodd >>>At the moment the ride makes one's stomach feel weird, it is actually the least intense part of the ride. That feeling in one's stomach is the feeling of weightlessness, or the feeling of no external force on the body. Space Mountain and Splash Mountain are the only rides at WDW that have moments like that.<<< This in reality is not true weightlessness. True weightlessness exists in space. In a vertical axis zero g maneuver it is actually calculated as the g force of the pull of the earth +1 minus the force of free fall -1. In roller coaster terms, this is air time. This does create a bigger impact on the human body then weightlessness experienced in space. Taken further, such as in the case of TOT, they increase the acceleration of fall exceeding the +1 pull of earth creating a negetive g maneuver. While most people can handle up to +4 to 5 g's for brief periods of time, positive g's eventually lead to brown or grey out where the blood begins to pool in the extremities leading to a loss of vision and coherence and eventually blackout. Flight suits are designed to presurize the legs and force the blood from the extremities and back to the vital organs. Negetive g's on the other hand are far less tolerated by humans with most amusement rides under -1. For example, an aerobatic aircraft will typically be rated to +6 but only -2. Negetive g's lead to red out, which gets its name from the blood pressure building in the capilaries in the eyes and eventually bursting. These are only considering vertical axis g forces or the forces which work parallel to the spine. When considering roller coaster design you also have to consider horizontal axis g force which are forces perpendicular to the spine. The human body can tolerate greater horizontal axis g forces. Most humans can tolerate up to 17 g's forward exceleration (called eyeballs in) and up to 12 g's reverse exceleration (eyeballs out). Soooooo. When considering a section of coaster, particularly a section as complicated as the reverse helix in EE, it is not simply a matter if calling it a moment a weightlessness. It is an extremely complex piece of engineering. <---Climbs down from soapbox.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 (Everest is lame. I can't imagine how someone could have died on this ride. You are more apt to die on the tea cups.) I guess you could die anywhere if you have a heart condition... so it really had nothing to do directly with the ride... You could do reading the newspaper...
Originally Posted By kennect Well I have been diagnosed with cardiomyopathy and you won't find me any where close to such attractions....I know that EE is rather mild but why would I want to push my luck knowing that I am already in the caution zone? Why would anyone? Sadly, though it means that one ends up missing out on some fun things to do...But I really rather stay alive for the moment than running that one in a million chance that my heart would decide to act up while enjoying a simple theme park ride...
Originally Posted By gadzuux Crazy me - I was thinking it wasn't such a bad way to go. Granted - 44 is young, but we've all gotta go sometime, and having your last moments being with family on a coaster and kind of "blissed" to death. Plus, it was quick and probably relatively painless. It's sad that he died so young, but compared to plenty of other people, maybe not the worst way to bow out.
