Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Perhaps we could all do a better job of trying to reign in those who make our perspectives look bad.< my point exactly...in the long run we all suffer..... and whether one is left of center - center - or right of center - -- usually we are all within earshot of each other -- the far right and far left have dictated politics for the last who knows how many years...it's time to take back control ( or influence at least ) from the fringes..
Originally Posted By Beaumandy From Powerline.. <a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/" target="_blank">http://www.powerlineblog.com/</a> Judge Ignores Precedent, Holds NSA Program "Unconstitutional" Federal Judge Anna Diggs Taylor of Detroit ruled earlier today that the NSA's international terrorist surveillance program is unconstitutional. I haven't yet seen the text of the opinion, and therefore can't comment on it in detail. However, as we've written repeatedly (for example, here), the federal courts have held on a number of occasions that the President has the constitutional power under Article II to order warrantless surveillance for national security purposes. The Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Ninth Circuits have so held, as has the special FISA Court of Review. And those cases dealt with domestic warrantless intercepts, as opposed to the international communications that fall within the NSA program. One of the serious weaknesses of our federal judicial system is that in many cases, plaintiffs can forum-shop for a favorable district or judge. Here, the ACLU, the plaintiff in the case, could have brought the case anywhere in the United States. The ACLU naturally avoided the circuits that had already upheld warrantless surveillance as an executive power; the Sixth Circuit, which encompasses Michigan, has not ruled on the issue, to my knowledge. The ACLU was able to get its case before Judge Taylor, a 1979 Jimmy Carter appointee who was described by the Detroit Free Press as "a liberal with Democratic roots." It is interesting, and possibly significant, that Judge Taylor was involved in a judge-shopping controversy in connection with her effort to preserve race discrimination at the University of Michigan, where her husband is a regent: Chief Judge Anna Diggs Taylor of the federal District Court in Detroit tried to take the suit against the law school away from Judge Bernard Freedman, who had been assigned it through a blind draw--and who was suspected of being skeptical about affirmative action--and consolidate it with a similar suit against the university's undergraduate admissions practice, which Judge Patrick Duggan was hearing. The chief judge dropped that effort after the judge hearing the law school complaint went public with a blistering opinion objecting to what he termed "the highly irregular" effort of the chief judge. Judge Duggan ruled in favor of the undergraduate racial preferences, while Judge Freedman ruled against the law school preferences. Consistent with unanimous precedent in the Federal Courts of Appeal, I would expect the 6th Circuit to reverse Judge Taylor's ruling and uphold the NSA program. That's a year or more off, however, and in the meantime the ACLU and the Democrats got the headlines they wanted from one of their own.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I get K2M's posts, and I understand what he is doing -- he called out the fact ( if I remember right) that he was doing it...and I did find his funny... however unless we all missed something from Ed, that is who he is....at least he has gone out of his way to tell us that it is...so I take the posts for face value
Originally Posted By vbdad55 also K2M's joking never got to be in your face personal -- they were more 3rd party --
Originally Posted By Beaumandy You guys sure talk about me a lot. LOL Thing is, nothing I say is extreme. My points usually turn out to be correct and are the views held by most Americans. If you doubt this, check the election day scoreboard. Check and see how often gay marriage passes when voted on, check and see how often liberalism ever wins elections when it is offered as a platform. The extreme people are the libs who want to radically change America into some Godless loser Euro nation of terrorist appeasers. Hi Ed!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I and others in the middle step up and try and address comments from Beau, yet you criticize everyone for not standing up to blanket garbage remarks -- let's see where you stand on this, as it will be tell tale for me ( and maybe a lot of others who view themselves as moderate republicans or independents -- SPP, will wait to see your view....because it will tell me if you really are against this , or are just against when it comes from the far right here...." My real life intruded and this is the first I've seen this. Allow me to review the thread and the ruling.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger >> My real life intruded and this is the first I've seen this. Allow me to review the thread and the ruling. << Ha! That'll teach you. The rest of us don't have real lives!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 will do -- and only called you out because you did likewise to others here ( which I have no issue with ) -- I want to see if there really is a middle ground-- so far I am encourged
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Ha! That'll teach you. The rest of us don't have real lives!<< yeah I had today off as I went to see Tiger and Phil play at the PGA this AM
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Okay, I'm up to post 30. If you're talking about No One's Pal Ed, I actually take beau more seriously than this guy, and that's saying something. Ed posts like he's done a bowl of 'shrooms first. Ed's nothing more than a bad joke. In the last ten days or so, I really believe the Admins have blwon off this section, unless someone drops an f bomb or something.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^ got it and then we are in agreement....the world now seems more normal again...I still keep holding out hope for some kind of middle ground...if not this November than for all of our sakes by 2008..... thanks for confirming my thoughts also
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <God help us all if the ACLU had existed during the Civil War when Abraham Lincoln felt compelled to suspend habaes corpus. Today, we would be two nations and blacks would still be owned as slaves.> Would we still have 'Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln' at Disneyland?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<yeah I had today off as I went to see Tiger and Phil play at the PGA this AM>> Sweet! That sounds like a good time. Dis you follow them or did you camp out at a hole?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << In the last ten days or so, I really believe the Admins have blwon off this section, unless someone drops an f bomb or something. >> Thats right. Wild West. It's been nice to be able to say things without getting admined. I have been called all kinds of names without a moderator in sight. I like it!
Originally Posted By YourPalEd If the republican's had their way, we would still have the black shoeshine boys on mainstreet, u.s.a., dressed in red, and white stripes. Remember to smile, you are cm's and the customers like happy shoeshine boys.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Of course, black shoeshine boys on mainstreet were more authentic to those times in america.
