Originally Posted By Mr X ***In Japan there is a saying: "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down"*** Yes, it's very true. They do say this in Japan. They also have an incredibly high suicide rate, and are far unhappier than most other folks on earth by and large. AND they've had a stagnant, near dead economy for the better part of 20 years. I'm still missing the bigger picture here, or else you guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Sure, Japan has had their successes over the years. But I would argue that a lot of their LACK of success stems from being too single minded, not flexible enough, and lacking in any ability to adapt. America, on the other hand, has always been a melting pot and and ever changing culture which leads the world in innovation, largely thanks to our many, many immigrants. So, again, what's your point?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I think you're tilting at a straw windmill here.*** Agreed. I honestly don't even know where these arguments are coming from. Koo started it up but trying to claim that Japan with its' monoculturism is somehow a superior culture, but taking THAT argument to its' logical conclusion leads to all sorts of bad places (let's examine all the multicultural societies in modern times...now let's remember how many of them made efforts to actively EXTERMINATE parts of their own population...oh yeah, Japan was one too if you really want to get nasty about it).
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I think you're tilting at a straw windmill here.<< Which are still proudly made in America! ; )
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<I've never heard anyone claim that the quality of what's coming off the assembly line is improved by diversity of race or culture or anything else>> I have. Our HR dept. has been shoveling this BS to us for 20 years.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<America, on the other hand, has always been a melting pot and and ever changing culture which leads the world in innovation>> Uh, that's (innovation) being offshored as we speak. The only thing we have been innovative with lately are scams of the Wall St. variety.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<That's a function of what the design was>> And is doing the designing? Again, I have worked at a few places that were ADAMANT that multiculturalism leads to superior designs. <<Diversity is not always a good thing since it creates conflict.>> Balkanization comes to mind. I have heard of more than a few horror stories in the IT & technology biz here in the US. The common theme is that many offices are "tribal", as in you will be discrimnated against (as in not hired) if you are not: Indian, Chinese, Korean, etc. This is especially true in IT.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<AND they've had a stagnant, near dead economy for the better part of 20 years.>> Yeah, they run trade surpluses. They make (to quote Marty McFly) "the best stuff in the world". They finance our debt (we owe them a LOT of money). No one is as innovative as they are (your pictures of the electronics district show that). They have ample savings. We should be so lucky. They are still recovering from their housing bubble, much as we will be for the next 10+ years.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster barboy: "For #12 No, fukrucz nailed it. There is a strong correlation between a society where everyone is on the same page and pushing for the same end result like the homogeneity of Japan which pumps out high quality cars and a mulitculture US environment with competing agendas building junk cars. Diversity is not always a good thing since it creates conflict." In your opinion is diversity ever a good thing? I'm guessing not. Nationalism is the problem. Feelings of racial or cultural or religious superiority are the problems. "In Japan there is a saying: "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down" This multiculturism is one way to explain why the US and France Disney parks are filthy relative to Asian Disney Parks." I'm sure Hitler would agree with you but most people understand that Disneyland is pristine. What are you talking about?
Originally Posted By barboy ///I'm sure Hitler would agree with you but most people understand that Disneyland is pristine. What are you talking about?/// I find that first part about Hitler off the wall and disjunct to conversation. Is that your game..... you just throw stuff, any stuff out there on a whim because you don't like what another posts? I think I had enough of seeing that capricious libel on the homosexual topics and now it pops up here. Give it a rest Churro--- you'll feel better, I promise. As for US and French Disney Parks being filthy, not well maintained and above all having lousy service compared to Asian ones, well get over to Tokyo Disney Resort and you will see what I'm saying. One strong reason there is such a difference in the quality of product and service can be traced back to multiculuralism/monoculuralism.
Originally Posted By Mr X Meh... Service is efficient at TDL, sure, but that's just as true in every 7-11 in the whole country. There's nothing particularly "Disney" about the guest service, and at times it can lack a certain "you ARE a guest" friendliness that I found in spades at DisneyWorld last year. I like Japan and TDL, don't get me wrong, but the more you guys push on this subject, the more it just sounds ridiculous to me. Sure, Japan has some good points, and positive aspects, but also a long and shameful record of handling matters of state and industry like bumbling idiots. I hardly think that the society being monocultural is some great plus like you guys seem to. If anything, they are too easily stuck in familiar patterns and inflexible when faced with unfamiliar challenges. I see it all the time. Oh, and one more thing. Think TDR is great? Awesome. I do too. You DO realize there is an AMERICAN in charge of every single division in the parks, don't you? You do realize all those executives sitting over in WDAJ have veto power, don't you? When there are any issues that come up regarding training, quality, show, or you name it...it's NOT the Japanese who decide how to proceed. Ouch.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<I've never heard anyone claim that the quality of what's coming off the assembly line is improved by diversity of race or culture or anything else>> <I have. Our HR dept. has been shoveling this BS to us for 20 years.> Then take it with the grain of salt it deserves. But to leap from that to conclude that multiculturism is somehow responsible for the disasters at Ford and GM (as #9 certainly implies) is, well, a leap.
Originally Posted By nemopoppins Okay there's a lot of argument on whether or not you like multiculturalism, but the topic started about it being called a "sin." First, let me say that multiculturalism is good. It certainly doesn't impede quality or progress. The exchange of ideas gives us a chance to learn and grow. The lack of divergent thought in a society can be likened to inbreeding. Monoculturalism, without an infusion of different ideas would lead to stagnancy. Second, now getting back to the subject, just how in the world can multiculturalism be labeled as a sin? Where in religious doctrine is that covered?
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm still wondering why noone has jumped in on Feminism... What's up, guys? Sin? No sin? Good? Evil? Better in Abu Dhabi or Lybia perhaps (they sure didn't go for that sinful "equality" crap, right? God bless em! ;o)?
Originally Posted By avromark Feminism can or cannot be a good thing. Like anything it's ok in moderation but when it goes into extremes and makes females significantly more powerful than males for example. It's gone too far. I was born in the most multicultural city in the world. The one thing it did was open up my taste buds
Originally Posted By Mr X ***when it goes into extremes and makes females significantly more powerful than males for example. It's gone too far*** Er, and this has happened where and when? I'm drawing a blank..unless you're talking maybe Paradise Island or something? Looking for a barometer, I found this information about the Senate (a fair gauge of how "powerful" women have become, I would say). "There have been 35 women in the United States Senate since the establishment of that body in 1789, meaning that out of the 1,897 Americans who have served in the United States Senate since that time, 1.85 percent have been female." Wow, 35 out of 1,897...watch out, they're grabbing up "significant" power as we speak! <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_United_States_Senate" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...s_Senate</a> Equally impressive gains are made by female CEO's, where the top 500 companies boast a whopping TWELVE women in charge. <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2008/womenceos/" target="_blank">http://money.cnn.com/magazines...menceos/</a> Sometimes I think folks just talk out of their butts just to have something to say. Sorry, but that's how it appears to me at this point. Yeah, Feminism and Multiculturalism suck...that's what's wrong with the world. You win. *sigh*
Originally Posted By barboy I'll align with avromark about 'fem' power. ///Er, and this has happened where and when?/// That's too easy; so X you want an example.....well I know one specific beyond hugely profound unchecked power that females have over males: abortion--- US style I'd say that holding power to decide the fate of another life is more profound than pay scales and employment positions.
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Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'd say that holding power to decide the fate of another life is more profound<< Yes, and males have that power as well. It's called "thinking things through." Too often, they tend not to do that and enjoy the moment instead.
