Originally Posted By Mr X ***i will be gone soon becaus that terrble cancer is killing me now*** That's sad. I hope you can hang on long enough for the zealots to lose the battle so that you can be saved thanks to stem cell research! Good luck!
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <And let's not forget my favorite about Palin, her barbaric stance on abortion.> There's nothing barbaric about Gov Palin's stance on abortion.
Originally Posted By nemopoppins I need to refer way back to post 48. >>>They hate that she was selected BECAUSE she was a woman, not because she was actually, you know, qualified to be president. It was an insult. They resent that she was selected ahead of many more qualified women who were capable and probably could have handled a Katie Couric interview without sounding like a dunce.<<< Very well said! And post 49, >>>Like I said before, feminism is no longer about the advancement of women. There is no conservative woman that the feminists would approve of.<<< It is because feminism is about the advancement of women that feminists would not approve of a conservative woman. As long as the conservative party aligns itself with the religious right, it is anti-woman. And because of this Palin seems to be interested only in the advancement of one woman. Like I'll never understand how there could be a gay Republican.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<And let's not forget my favorite about Palin, her barbaric stance on abortion.> There's nothing barbaric about Gov Palin's stance on abortion.*** Yes, legally forcing a rape victim to bear the rapists' baby is something all civilized societies are okay with.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<And let's not forget my favorite about Palin, her barbaric stance on abortion.> There's nothing barbaric about Gov Palin's stance on abortion." There's EVERYTHING barbaric about her stance. No abortion even in the case of rape and incest? That's criminal and insane, besides being barbaric. Sometimes I know you write things just to be an ass.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Yes, legally forcing a rape victim to bear the rapists' baby is something all civilized societies are okay with.> When has Gov Palin ever done this, or even advocated it?
Originally Posted By Mr X Whatever, Doug. You know she did. Don't be obtuse. Are you claiming that she is in favor of excepting rape and incest from her pro-life stance? If so, you need to research her position better.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<Yes, legally forcing a rape victim to bear the rapists' baby is something all civilized societies are okay with.> When has Gov Palin ever done this, or even advocated it?" You have GOT to f'n kidding.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Abortion.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ontheissues.org/200...tion.htm</a> <a href="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/123891.php" target="_blank">http://www.medicalnewstoday.co...3891.php</a> <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5787748&page=1" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...8&page=1</a> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/02/palin.pregnancy/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...dex.html</a>
Originally Posted By DVC_dad SPP to answer your question about Palin's stance on abortion: I am pro-choice. Surprised? I believe that LIFE is the best choice, but I believe it is the mother's choice to make. But then I was myself adopted as a 2 day old baby. That weighs in on my view. Abortion is murder. I don't advocate murder. The problem here is that the church (take your pick) cannot accept the fact that SITUATIONAL ETHICS are necessary in any civilized society. Everything MUST be black or white / right or wrong ... No gray areas. But that just isn't reality. As for my understanding of Prop 8, enlighten me. I'll read with an open mind. You have to admit, it is difficult to see how so many Dems at the polls air Obama could have shot it down. How do you get around that fact?
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Unless... Even CA like the rest of the country is actually center-right?
Originally Posted By Mr X I'll go ahead and defer to others on your complex post about being "pro-choice/abortion is murder" stance...that's a conundrum I'm not even going to touch. As for California being "center-right" because they voted against civil rights, all I have to say about that is that some extremist groups poured time, money, and effort into influencing the vote. Which they're entitled to do, of course (those groups which claim to be "churches" should be taxed like a political action committee though, imho). So, there is something to be said for an aggressive political campaign scoring points, sure, but I wouldn't say that reflects the overall "vibe" of California or CA voters..since they are clearly "Center...Left" overall. The whole center-right argument is just a bunch of hoo-ha, given the clear mandate the voters have demanded since 2006 to "get the hell out of the right wing please".
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Whatever, Doug. You know she did.> I know no such thing. And from yours and SPP's responses, you don't know either.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<that's a conundrum >>> It is a conundrum to YOU. It makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you didn't see how simple the statement can be. Let me try again. "I am pro-choice, and furthermore (not but or however) I believe that choosing NOT to have an abortion is the proper choice." What is so diffucult about that? I do not smoke. I know that smoking kills people. Smokers are (well most of them) making a choice to kill themselves and in some cases with side stream smoke, they are killing their children, (though many go outside to smoke now becuase that know this), but I am not for making tabacco outlawed. So conundrum? Please.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Complex. And all this time I thought I wasn't capable of making a complex post. wow. Thanks for the complement.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<those groups which claim to be "churches" should be taxed like a political action committee though, imho>>> How much did YOU pay in taxes to the US Government last year, X?
Originally Posted By nemopoppins >>>"I am pro-choice, and furthermore (not but or however) I believe that choosing NOT to have an abortion is the proper choice."<<< I like this. This is what pro-choice is all about. We can't have everyone agreeing on abortion, but we can have rational people that don't force their belief on those (women) who should have a right to decide for their own bodies. And, thank you to DVC_dad, who will even fight (argue at least) for that right.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<Whatever, Doug. You know she did.> I know no such thing. And from yours and SPP's responses, you don't know either." And your response confirming yet again you're just here to be a painful rectal itch. Her position is very well known, but you knew that.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "SPP to answer your question about Palin's stance on abortion: I am pro-choice. Surprised?" No, and allow me to clarify for the 20th time my position on this. I can respect those who are against abortion but will agree in cases of incest and rape. But not even in cases of incest and rape, that's nothing short of barbaric.
