Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Trippys last few posts are dead spot on but the few who are not doing as well as they think they should in life have this need to feel important and talk like they know how Disney Fla. should be run. >> I'd love to know how you think WDW should be run? Like the job Al, Meg, Erin, Phil and Co are doing? <<Funny that some posters rave about the other Disney parks yet don't post in those sections, only here where the love bash seems to be in vogue.>> What's funny about that? Bashing's more constructive than gushing ...
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<<<Trippy just likes to argue with Spirit, which I admit can sometimes be fun!>> <<Yeah, but you at least make sense most of the time ... Trippy? ... I think he's been out in his igloo (with Larry Craig? ;-) ) too often and has brain freeze. >>>> Well the heck with you Spirit. I was originally going to post that I don't like to argue with Spirit, I just like to present an alternative point of view. I feel Spirit presents one view that is valid. I feel that I present another. Spirit is after what he thinks Walt's vision would be. I realize that Walt died 42 years ago and that no company in American history has maintained the founders vision that long after his death. I just ask that the Disney Parks continue to be more fun for me to visit than any other Theme Parks in America. So far they have always been. They are meeting my expectations. There are not many companies that do that today. Oh, for Spirit... Ppphhhhhhhhtttttt......... get over yourself. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I've decided to ignore those that aren't worthy of my attention.*** What are you, 3 years old or something? Can't we all just talk, sort of like grown ups maybe?
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<What are you, 3 years old or something? Can't we all just talk, sort of like grown ups maybe?>> Since the people I'm referring to can't talk to me without calling me a "loco educator" or making snarky remarks about my professionalism, then I'd rather not associate with them. I'm also trying to avoid wasting everyone's time by having arguments. I'm not going to pretend I like someone to make everyone else happy. I'm trying to enjoy these boards without turning this into an issue - please let me do that.
Originally Posted By Disney and beyond The real "problem" for WDW is that Disney is heavily improving DCA in a Walt type way. This leaves very little for the other parks as of now, including WDW.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^Why, is Disney broke? They had 2.5 billion cash and 6.5 billion in receivables last June. The cash can't be earning more than 3% in the bank. If new investment will boost profits, why not do it? Keep in mind that investments do not affect the profit/loss statement. All that happens is that on the balance sheet is that money is shifted from "cash" to "properties & equipment"
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>Funny that some posters rave about the other Disney parks yet don't post in those sections, only here where the love bash seems to be in vogue.<<< Funny, most of the WDW critics I know, who prefer the other resorts do post in the DL/DLP/TDL/HKDL sections too. Problem is the WDW ignorami do not tend to read them.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>> I realize that Walt died 42 years ago and that no company in American history has maintained the founders vision that long after his death.<<< So does that mkae the constitution null and void too. It built a country and is the vision of now dead men. Does that mean christianity is bunk too?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Well the heck with you Spirit. I was originally going to post that I don't like to argue with Spirit, I just like to present an alternative point of view. I feel Spirit presents one view that is valid. I feel that I present another.>> I don't feel we argue, Trippy ... for the most part anyway. We playfully banter. And I've never said your opinions (however crazy, absurd or just plain nuts) aren't valid! They're your opinions and I believe you are entitled to them (although I'd have to check the Patriot Act to be sure ... sorry, I think I owe MPierce a Smokey and the Bandit 2 DVD for that comment!) <<Spirit is after what he thinks Walt's vision would be. I realize that Walt died 42 years ago and that no company in American history has maintained the founders vision that long after his death.>> Nope. Nope. Nope. See, this is where someone reads me and thinks they know where I am coming from but somehow takes a giant leap from one point to the other. I am so not one of those WWWD (what would Walt do?) people. I am so far from that. The world had changed in so many ways, some for the better, some most assuredly not. I don't have a clue what Walt would do or feel about most things. I do think it's safe to say he wouldn't want his name on parks that aren't being maintained to standards he (and his followers) set ... I also think it's pretty safe to say when he said 'Here in Florida we have the blessing of land ... enough for the ideas we can possibly imagine' that he wasn't referring to building a timeshare empire. ... I can also be pretty sure he wouldn't find WDW's buses to be magical ... or even acceptable for transporting guests paying $400 a night. But much beyond that, I wouldn't speculate. I am more concerned with how the parks are run based upon what DISNEY CONDITIONED ME TO EXPECT! Go back ... read that. Blow it up. Print it out. Tape it above your computer. I only want what Disney led me to expect whenever I enter their ever-less-green realm in Central Florida. More often than not, they disappoint in new and creative ways (charging for bread at JIKO!???!!!!!!?!) <<I just ask that the Disney Parks continue to be more fun for me to visit than any other Theme Parks in America.>> That's not saying very much though. That's kind of like saying you'll be happy with Target instead of WalMart ... sure one is much better, but they're still a basic property. I expect for WDW's premium pricing and placement in the market to get a Nordstrom or Neiman Marcus experience. And way too often, I am not getting Target in Orlando, but WalMart. <<So far they have always been. They are meeting my expectations. There are not many companies that do that today.>> Too often today they don't even come close to meeting my greatly reduced expectations when they're supposed to EXCEED them. And you may find this difficult to believe, but I'm much easier to please than many of their guests are. <<Oh, for Spirit... Ppphhhhhhhhtttttt......... get over yourself. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.>> Right back at you!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> So does that mkae the constitution null and void too. It built a country and is the vision of now dead men. Does that mean christianity is bunk too? << That's hitting below the belt Dave!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And I've never said your opinions (however crazy, absurd or just plain nuts) aren't valid! They're your opinions and I believe you are entitled to them (although I'd have to check the Patriot Act to be sure ... sorry, I think I owe MPierce a Smokey and the Bandit 2 DVD for that comment!) << I would prefer an "Out of Africa" DVD. I only have it on VHS.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> More often than not, they disappoint in new and creative ways (charging for bread at JIKO!???!!!!!!?!) << How much do they charge.? Is butter extra?
Originally Posted By -em >>I am more concerned with how the parks are run based upon what DISNEY CONDITIONED ME TO EXPECT! << and that to me makes a world of difference. We are only "holding" them to the standards that they themselves created and flaunted for the better part of the company's existence. They used to set not only the standard but exceeded it in the same breathe. Things the company used to use as bench markers for the competition are now only even or below everyone else. -em
Originally Posted By Socrates >> So does that mkae the constitution null and void too. It built a country and is the vision of now dead men. Does that mean christianity is bunk too? << Everyone does realize the US Constitution has been amended repeatedly throughout our history, right? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By Disney and beyond But Walt is not here to enforce the maintaining of his park. If Walt was still here , we wouldn't be talking about this right now. In fact, we wouldn't be talking about alot of things. Unfortunatley, Walt isn't here, and there is no one brave enough to stand up and say that Walt would have wanted Quality over Quanity.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Everyone does realize the US Constitution has been amended repeatedly throughout our history, right?>> But it is a very big deal to ammend it. It hasn't happened in decades.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >> So does that mkae the constitution null and void too. It built a country and is the vision of now dead men. Does that mean christianity is bunk too? << That's hitting below the belt Dave! <<< Indeed, but it is to point out that great visions can last generations. Indeed the constitution has altered, but in an attempt for the betterment of America. WDW has gotten worse and worse for the last 10 years. It's as bad as Dl was 10 years ago if not worse. I know the world has changed, but the ability to keep it well kept, and to inspire humanity has not. But Disney has lost track of this vision (thankfully there are still a few at Disney that keep my faith going, but not as many). To me, WDW feels like a grand hotel in a City. When it was built, it was inspiring and deserved it's high reputation. Over the years, maintenance was cut, and certain areas have been refurbed. There are a few staff members who remember or aspire to deliver the experience of it's heyday. But overall it is tired and worn, and in need of TLC. Defended by those who either know no better or have great personal memories they cling on to. The sad thing is, the others in the chain still offer the original promise. And for those of us who have had the experience of those (plus the eroding one in it's glory days), get really angered. This is the problem with WDW.
