Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<There is going to be Star Tours 2... not quite a multi-million dollar e ticket (as far as I can tell), but a genuine new attraction nonetheless.>> A redone Star Tours, while nice, in no way qualifies to me as a new attraction. This is still simulator technology ... the same one that was sold to us two decades ago as something easily changable ... in other words, it's the LCI of the 1980s and 90s. And the way the economy is going, who knows whether they've delayed this too. You don't hear many WDW rumors here, do you? When does our 'insider' Leemac ever post on WDW threads? I admit I don't know what's going on here. Anaheim? Yeah. China? Yeah. Paris? I think so. But Orlando? ... To steal a tag from a bad phone commercial, it's a dead zone there.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It acctually isn't mildew, it is hard water calcium deposits, and is very hard for then to get off, i have seen custodial try and clean it. Last time it was done, about 6 months ago, they had to competly closer the theater for a day afterwards, do the the strength of the solvents it takes to remove then.>> I'll take your word for it, Brad. But perhaps they should have thought about this affect before they decided to build an attraction where water would lie on top of these seat mechanisms ... that would have taken something called ... uhm ... ah ... foreplay ... no, that's the good stuff ... forsight ... yeah, that's it. Oh, and I just want to say I have no idea what was posted in 32 and am in no way responsible, but I do wish I would have seen it.
Originally Posted By -em >>There were people ... conventioners at some ... but it sure seemed like the average load at those resorts was a lot closer to 50% than 100%.<< You are not too far off base... The only "good" part is that since less cast is being scheduled I tend to get a better parking spot.. I haven't had to park in the back lot at the 'temp for over 2 weeks now... course I only have a 4 day work week this week with everyone dropping down to 32 hours (Apparently someone's bonus must be in jeopardy) despite having a semi busy week... -em
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt Or maybe the DL people are just more pleasant!!..OUCH!!..did I say that out loud!!??!! I was at the parks it June..everything was beautiful!!..the flowers, the paint..I didn't see any trash on the ground..the queue for Buzz was dirty but what are they supposed to do ..close the attraction to CLEAN THE FLOOR!! vomit yes..trash NO!! Well, maybe my glass is half full
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Do they realize at all how stale a product they have?>> Not until attendance plummets. When that happens it will be just like the mortgage disaster: "no one could have seen it coming", "it caught everyone by suprise".
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^^I saw your boss when I was voting this morning. She says she loves your cheery outlook. I thought she was talking about someone else!!! So who did post #32? I haven't seen red around here for a long time.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Apparently someone's bonus must be in jeopardy>> And the really sad thing is that the mid level manager's bonus is probably more than the combined annual salary of several CMs. Get to director level and you are probably talking the equivalent of a platoon of CMs. Here where I work there is a great deal of competition to get onto the management track (and the competition is fierce). As one co-worker described it "once you get to the third level of management you start to get paid 'crazy money'", which probably explains why the third level and higher managers always look so happy.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> but I am shamelessly trying to up the post count on this thread as I started it on another Disney site and as of last check was in the 200 post neighborhood. So ... let's all try harder. Unless you want to talk politics? << It's up to over 300 now. Do I get extra points for posting on both? I'll be up for a good political debate in about 2 weeks. I think I should be over the shock of the election by then, hopefully.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> ^^^I saw your boss when I was voting this morning. She says she loves your cheery outlook. I thought she was talking about someone else!!! << I can't believe you would have anything but a cheery family bobbelee. >> So who did post #32? I haven't seen red around here for a long time. << I don't know, but my instinct tells me it involved name calling of a certain poster on here. I just wish they would leave those things up so we all had a chance to ridicule them.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Just face it people, Disneyland is better than WDW. << >> Or maybe the DL people are just more pleasant!!..OUCH!!..did I say that out loud!!??!! << Did Y'all folks come in here looking to rumble?
Originally Posted By blueharvest82 Spirit, you have to be one of the most depressing people I have ever read posts from. With all that is going on in the country right now, never mind the world, how do you find the time to dedicate to such negative thinking? You must have been that kid who never got the buck rodgers toy ray gun for Christmas. Disney is going to continue to make quality product, you just have to patient. You are the one who constantly argues with people when they talk about upcoming project rumors, and then you go ahead and get upset when disney doesn't give you any upcoming project rumors to complain about. Don't worry, WDW is doing a bunch of things that you will be able to flash your annual pass at to get a sneek peek. I am sure you already heard about the annual pass 3d exclusive for the osbourne family spectacle of lights. Spirit, I got nothing against you, you are probably a nice person outside of all of this, but you need to stop attacking disney for no reason.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>but you need to stop attacking disney for no reason<<< It isn't for no reason. Have you been to the other Disney resorts recently? WDW is bigger, but the quality is soooooo much less than the other resorts around the globe. And as it is supposed to be a Disney resort and is heralded as the flag ship, I think Spirit is on the money. The MK is pants compared to it's cousins. The resort hotels offer subpar service compared to their cousins around the globe or even lesser priced competitors down the road. The maintenance is a joke, and the homiginization of merchandise and dining is really taking away a lot that was once very special. I am sorry bh82, but I think Spirit is very right. Hence why I prefer to spend my money at DL or DLP, or save for a trip to Asia. I am angry about the state of WDW, and as a local that has supported the resort from near the beginning, I can only imagine Spirit is much more (I know I would be). Heck, even the cast members on here who are huge Disney fans agree with him.
Originally Posted By -em >>but you need to stop attacking disney for no reason.<< No reason? I think there is a dozen plus reasons whether you choose to see them or not. If we all forget the past and accept this future they have given there is no hope for this company. I will not accept this is "as good as it will get" for this company. I know what Disney can do and refuse to accept this current state. I love the Disney company- but right now I do not like it at all...
Originally Posted By -em >>Heck, even the cast members on here who are huge Disney fans agree with him.<< *raises hand*
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo -em - you and I are on the same page. But just like I have tried to carry hope for my country through the dark times, I hope that we will see a return to greatness for Disney too.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<And as it is supposed to be a Disney resort and is heralded as the flag ship, I think Spirit is on the money.>> FWIW, Michael Eisner is on record that DL is the flagship. Maybe no longer under the current administration.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I feel DL should be, but it is not marketted as such internationally (in Europe not many under 40 even know there is a DL in California)
Originally Posted By dshyates There are many in America that believe Disneyland was moved to Florida in the 70s.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Do they realize at all how stale a product they have?>> <<Not until attendance plummets. When that happens it will be just like the mortgage disaster: "no one could have seen it coming", "it caught everyone by suprise". >> Yeah. I guess that's how it will go. It's like people just ignore what's around them and then wonder what's happened. Universal and Busch are investing significant sums into their parks, while Disney sits back and is going to wait and see what happens with the economy. That just ensures years more of stale products and marketing campaigns masquerading as new reasons to visit. It would be so nice to hear that Stale Mountain is closing for 18 months (or even two years as was the original plan) to be reinvented for the 21st century. It would be so nice to hear that Fantasyland was about to start on a $400 million upgrade that would include The Little Mermaid swap out Snow White for a Beauty and the Beast dark ride and add smaller things (like the rumored SW mine train rolley coaster as well as new shopping and dining). It would be so nice to hear that Adventureland Veranada is reopening as a new dining concept. It would be nice to hear that Wonders of Life had a new concept and was about to start construction and that the abomination that is Journey Version 3.0 would be replaced by something approaching what was originally there. It would nice to hear the Monsters coaster is a go for the Studios and that Star Tours 2.0 has a definite opening date. It would be nice to hear that 1991 and 2001 era parades at the MK were being replaced by something new. It would be nice to hear the Diamond Horseshoe was reopening with a real saloon show with real (UNION) performers. It would be nice to hear Rivers of Light had somehow come back from the dead for DAK after Dark. It would be nice to hear that Illuminations was going to be replaced by a newer, even more spectacular, production. It would be nice to hear that Camp Meet, Greet, Grab and Grope was going to be replaced by a major E-Ticket experience. Yeah ... it would be nice ... But hey we're going to get President Obama in HoP ... and the American Idol Experience ... and a new food court where PI once stood (because Disney can't get any of the outsiders it wants to sign contracts to move in) ... and between those things and more DVC and free tix on your B-Day, Disney PR and Marketing will work their arses off to convince you that they have a fresh product. They don't. But why should I care? In 2009 I'll be visiting DL (multiple times), DLP and TDL (and who knows? maybe HKDL too if I am lucky) ... so what if my beloved home resort is staler than McCain for President signs along the side of the road?
